King of the Couch Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Bran is going to hide in the by the weirwood-tree to lure NK there.. The only reason this is going to work is because Bran there is going to “log on to the weirwood-network”, travel back in time an morph into the first mans head, just before the children of the Forrest turn him into the first ww, NK.. This, the creation (and existence) of WW, is what NK is trying to stop all along, and that’s why he doesn’t have time to wait with chasing down Bran, but has to rush after him. Bran knows this, and he knows that NK knows.. this is plot has a few holes, but they can probably be worked around.. (Sorry for my bad English) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbunting Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 6 hours ago, King of the Couch said: Bran is going to hide in the by the weirwood-tree to lure NK there.. The only reason this is going to work is because Bran there is going to “log on to the weirwood-network”, travel back in time an morph into the first mans head, just before the children of the Forrest turn him into the first ww, NK.. This, the creation (and existence) of WW, is what NK is trying to stop all along, and that’s why he doesn’t have time to wait with chasing down Bran, but has to rush after him. Bran knows this, and he knows that NK knows.. this is plot has a few holes, but they can probably be worked around.. (Sorry for my bad English) Biggest hole is that if that's the case why hasn't Bran already done it? He could have tapped into the wierwood wifi network and have done this last season and this season. Why would he wait for thousands more people to die? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam_Up_Bxtch Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 6 minutes ago, dbunting said: Biggest hole is that if that's the case why hasn't Bran already done it? He could have tapped into the wierwood wifi network and have done this last season and this season. Why would he wait for thousands more people to die? Maybe it is Bran's last resort and hopes he will not have to do it but when all is about to be lost he is left with no choice but to endure the pain of being trapped in the NK's human body as the man is being turned. Middle Earth: Shadow of War spoilers: Spoiler Like Celebrimbor being absorbed into Sauron during their final confrontation and being trapped in a state of perpetual war battling for dominance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbunting Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, Adam_Up_Bxtch said: Maybe it is Bran's last resort and hopes he will not have to do it but when all is about to be lost he is left with no choice but to endure the pain of being trapped in the NK's human body as he is turned into the NK for eternity. So Bran is rushing to kill Bran? If Bran went back and did this then he already is the NK and therefore the NK is rushing to kill himself in a giant time loop? I can never get time travel shit right so I probably make no sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam_Up_Bxtch Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 12 minutes ago, dbunting said: So Bran is rushing to kill Bran? If Bran went back and did this then he already is the NK and therefore the NK is rushing to kill himself in a giant time loop? I can never get time travel shit right so I probably make no sense. I'm actual sure in the show Bloodraven lied to Bran with the "past is already written" to keep him from going back and changing things like how Bran called out to his father at the ToJ and Bloodraven attempted to stop him before he called out to his father. Pulling him out before he could change things further. Guarantee if they would of shown the ToJ scene before Bran was there the first time. Ned wouldn't of turned around before proceeding into the tower, BUT after he did and went back again Ned turning had already been changed so Ned now does it everytime. But tbh I don't really give much to the actual theory just stating is possible to do with the rules they have hinted at from the scenes between Bran and Bloodraven but it would still have some plotholes. I still think if Bran was to go back and warg the NK's human body before he is turned it would just cause Bran to be the one becoming mind controlled by the children magic as apposed to the NK himself. Possibly altering his mind. IDK this whole theory is confusing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bran the Shipper Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 19 minutes ago, Adam_Up_Bxtch said: I'm actual sure in the show Bloodraven lied to Bran with the "past is already written" to keep him from going back and changing things like how Bran called out to his father at the ToJ and Bloodraven attempted to stop him before he called out to his father. Pulling him out before he could change things further. Guarantee if they would of shown the ToJ scene before Bran was there the first time. Ned wouldn't of turned around before proceeding into the tower, BUT after he did and went back again Ned turning had already been changed so Ned now does it everytime. Yes it is shown that Bran can affect the past but is a harder claim to say he can change it. For instance Bran connecting past Hodor to Hodor caused Hodor to become Hodor, but considering he would have likely had to make Hodor Hodor in order to reach the three eyed raven in the first place, it implies there was never an original timeline where Bran didn't make Hodor Hodor. So in essence the past is written and any changes they make to it was already destined to happen. It is possible that Bloodraven had attempted to change the past only to learn this lesson the hard way and he wanted to spare Bran from experiencing that by saying that it can't be done. I'm wondering if the future might also be written in a way. It seems like prophecies in planetos always come true, which suggests a level of destiny involved. But the question I have is whether the prophecy comes true because it was destined, or was it destined because of the prophecy. Could knowledge of the future, force that future to happen when it might otherwise not? If Cersei never had her blood tasted and asked Maggy those questions would it have been possible that she married Rhaegar or had a seven children instead of three? And if it is true that the future is only fixed when prophecies are involved but is otherwise fluid, could the future become fluid again if all knowledge of the prophecy dies? And while this might be needless speculation I'm wondering if Bran's plan (and possibly the Night King's) hinge on the answers to these questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Error-504 Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 Any of this going into the past to change this or that makes the whole dam story an epic fail in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinscS2 Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 9 minutes ago, Error-504 said: Any of this going into the past to change this or that makes the whole dam story an epic fail in my opinion. Agreed, it's right down there with "it was just a dream all along" as worst possible way to wrap up a story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristoff Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 7 minutes ago, MinscS2 said: Agreed, it's right down there with "it was just a dream all along" as worst possible way to wrap up a story. I disagree, I think it could be done right, if done carefully. The Hodor reveal was really well done and I like the way time is handled in this story. But that also makes it extremely difficult to do something like this without it having big plot holes. Overall I hope it doesn't end up being something like this, but I don't think it's necessarily bad on principle, only depending on execution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SansaJonRule Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 12 minutes ago, MinscS2 said: "it was just a dream all along" What ended that way (besides the Wizard of Oz). I know I've seen it, but I'm blanking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristoff Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 10 minutes ago, SansaJonRule said: What ended that way (besides the Wizard of Oz). I know I've seen it, but I'm blanking. https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AllJustADream Check the list at the bottom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbunting Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 1 hour ago, SansaJonRule said: What ended that way (besides the Wizard of Oz). I know I've seen it, but I'm blanking. Newhart show is all that comes to mind for me, at least for a series ender. Bobby being dead on Dallas was like that but not as a finale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
House Cambodia Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 3 hours ago, Error-504 said: Any of this going into the past to change this or that makes the whole dam story an epic fail in my opinion. GRRM has said that the TV show is going to wrap up broadly in line with how the books are going to conclude, and he is way way too smart to pull a dumb stunt like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnston Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 6 hours ago, Adam_Up_Bxtch said: Guarantee if they would of shown the ToJ scene before Bran was there the first time. Ned wouldn't of turned around before proceeding into the tower, BUT after he did and went back again Ned turning had already been changed so Ned now does it everytime. Theory. BR needed Bran to do that to plant the seed of the idea raising jon as his own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam_Up_Bxtch Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 3 hours ago, Johnston said: Theory. BR needed Bran to do that to plant the seed of the idea raising jon as his own. Jon didn’t look like a Targaryen so it was a pretty easy conclusion to come to regarding how to hide him don’t think BR needed to planet the seed in his mind. Plus BR tries to stop Bran before he says father so I don’t think It was BR’a plan for Ned to hear Bran. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMario Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 8 hours ago, SansaJonRule said: What ended that way (besides the Wizard of Oz). I know I've seen it, but I'm blanking. Invaders from Mars. One of my favorite pulp movies growing up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
State Trooper Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 18 hours ago, King of the Couch said: Bran there is going to “log on to the weirwood-network” I just hope the Wifi's working OK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btfu806 Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 Anytime there is time travel it just doesn't work IMO. The whole Hodor sequence to me was a flop because it doesn't make sense because of the time paradox (essentially a chicken vs the egg). I think this would be the same exact situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SansaJonRule Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 12 hours ago, SuperMario said: Invaders from Mars. One of my favorite pulp movies growing up. Never saw it. I remembered what I was thinking of - Lost. But I'm not sure if that is how Lost ended. I remember it was STUPID. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SansaJonRule Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 19 hours ago, dbunting said: Newhart show is all that comes to mind for me, at least for a series ender. Bobby being dead on Dallas was like that but not as a finale Oh, I remember that on the Newhart show. But that was a comedy, and it worked for that. The only thing I remember about Dallas was "Who shot JR?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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