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11 minutes ago, Jeor said:

Yeah, there were quite a few permanent deaths in this movie.

Natasha and Stark, obviously, who both had big on-screen deaths. But don't forget Vision, who's never coming back, and I count Gamora still as a loss - as you say, the surviving Gamora is basically a new character with no GoTG experience, not the old Gamora that we know and love. And Cap is basically a loss, although he did get his happy ending.

I knew there was something else I was forgetting and it was Vision. That's the one I really wasn't expecting, but the stones are destroyed in this timeline even if they wanted to try remake him.

 

1 minute ago, DMC said:

It is absolutely hilarious to me that we're all sitting here discussing the merits of a five year gap.

 

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3 minutes ago, DMC said:

It is absolutely hilarious to me that we're all sitting here discussing the merits of a five year gap.

 

Heh...it's not a big deal for me, and some gap had to happen. I just thought if you wanted to pick an arbitrary time, 5 years seemed long. I guess it did give time for Stark's kid to be a little grown up.

Now on a completely different and random point - am I weird for finding Nebula's walking sexy? I'd not really noticed it before, and my brain is kind of confused at the revelation this might be the beginning of some bizarre walking fetish...

 

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1 minute ago, Jeor said:

Heh...it's not a big deal for me, and some gap had to happen. I just thought if you wanted to pick an arbitrary time, 5 years seemed long. I guess it did give time for Stark's kid to be a little grown up.

I think DMC was referencing GRRMs intended 5 year time skip that he decided to forego which caused a lot of his writing problems. Just a funny coincidence that it was the same length.

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2 minutes ago, Jeor said:

Now on a completely different and random point - am I weird for finding Nebula's walking sexy? I'd not really noticed it before, and my brain is kind of confused at the revelation this might be the beginning of some bizarre walking fetish...

I mean, the actress that plays her is very attractive, so you can hang your hat on that.  But yeah, sounds weird.  Not even sure that'd qualify as a fetish, although I look forward to "walking" being a clickable subject on porn sites.

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3 minutes ago, karaddin said:

I think DMC was referencing GRRMs intended 5 year time skip that he decided to forego which caused a lot of his writing problems. Just a funny coincidence that it was the same length.

Oh yeah I got the reference...!

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2 minutes ago, DMC said:

I mean, the actress that plays her is very attractive, so you can hang your hat on that.  But yeah, sounds weird.  Not even sure that'd qualify as a fetish, although I look forward to "walking" being a clickable subject on porn sites.

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I don't care about spoilers, which is why I'm here. I'm mostly just curious how you saw it already, since I thought it opened on Thursday.

I assume the answer is "It's already Thursday in Australia." But considering how spoiler-adverse Marvel has been about this movie, I'm surprised they didn't insist on a simultaneous world-wide release; time zones be damed. 

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Actually it opened for advance screenings on Weds 24th in Aus, the cinema I went to had sessions starting from midday if not earlier. I'm not really sure what differentiates advance screenings at this point as they just seem like regular ones, but the "opening" day is Thursday.

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Yeah, the screening I saw was 6pm on Wednesday. In Australia they often have sessions before the traditional Thursday opening.

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we're going Fri morning at 11 AM.... I won't have anything to drink after 8 the night before... 3 hrs is a long time

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We got it on the 24th in Denmark as well. Scandinavia has been getting a lot of the Marvel movies days, sometimes a week, earlier than the US, don't ask me why.

 

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One question though: The team puts the stones back into their proper timelines once done with them, to prevent massive changes to the whole MCU universe timeline. But Loki escapes with the Tesseract in the 'new' version of the NY battle aftermath. So does that still happen? I assume yes, because that would create a foundation for a Loki TV series that takes place concurrently with the Phase 1 / 2 / 3 movies.

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31 minutes ago, denstorebog said:

One question though: The team puts the stones back into their proper timelines once done with them, to prevent massive changes to the whole MCU universe timeline. But Loki escapes with the Tesseract in the 'new' version of the NY battle aftermath. So does that still happen? I assume yes, because that would create a foundation for a Loki TV series that takes place concurrently with the Phase 1 / 2 / 3 movies.

It depends on how you read things. My interpretation is that changing the past causes a separate timeline to fork off, however if they cause no major changes it would functionally be a closed loop. Then the conversation with TAO has her talking about how they need the time stone to deal with the baddie from Dr Strange and convinces them they need to return the infinity stones.

Given all the shit that subsequently happens some of the interventions are spawning alternative realities:

*Tesseract from the 70s - no major impact, should be a closed loop unless there being less of the red substance causes changes

*Reality stone - closed loop unless they forgot to change it back to the ether and inject it into Jane

*Soul stone - closed loop

*Mind stone - While the mind stone and time stone come back without major changes, Loki escapes with the tesseract in this timeline which is an enormous change. As far as Hydra is concerned Cap has shown awareness that the shield operatives are Hydra and is on their side, Winter Soldier may play out completely differently. Tony also nearly dies from his heart malfunctioning and that could also have a knock on effect

*Power stone - completely and utterly altered timeline. Thanos is completely gone from this timeline along with his ship, the children of Thanos, his army etc. Not only does the snap not happen in this timeline, but Vision doesn't die, Gamora is gone before the events of GotG and you can reasonably argue that Ronan will succeed, Quill and Yondu might not start on the path to reconciliation, subsequently Quill might go along with Ego or simply die there. 

Its unclear if the power stone is taken from the same timeline that Loki escaped in, but I think there are at least some things you can point at to suggest he did. In GotG Ronan has dispatched a minion to collect the power stone, but in this one Thanos is only just learning the location and about to send Gamora and Nebula to Ronan at the time Quill is at the temple and is actually in the system himself. This could just be writing for dramatic intent, or it could be signalling that there are changes. This timeline is potentially much better for Earth given it is spared 2 invasions by Thanos but if Ronan succeeds it's clearly worse for other planets. Or maybe Earth gets consumed by Ego.

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Yes, all of this time travel does your head in if you think about it too closely.

My (simplistic) rendering of it is that our present heroes are virtually unchanged from this point onwards. They all have memories intact of all the previous 21 movies so all their formative experiences and storylines are still real for them (whether those things "really happened" or not). From Endgame on, they're just looking forward and I suspect all the future movies will forget time travel ever existed and just go forward from this point.

Cap's returning of the Stones (and the Ancient One's arguments etc) I think is just a plot device to try and preserve all of the history, so that the MCU can say that almost all of the previous 21 movies still actually happened and aren't just memories in the minds of the Avengers. If all of the stones were taken and then instantaneously returned, I guess you could say everything stays as normal.

Loki is the fly in the ointment - I'm glad he escaped and now might live on - but the Space stone didn't really have anything to do in the MCU from that point onwards, I think it was just stored in Odin's vault. So it probably doesn't impact the MCU history that much apart from whatever mischief Loki might do in the meantime.

The only thing is, did Infinity War actually happen? Because Thanos jumped forward from pre-GoTG straight to the present day he presumably skipped IW. So you could say that IW didn't happen except in the memories of everyone else...but obviously there are some effects of IW still, as Gamora and Vision are still dead.

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Well our Gamora is dead, past Gamora is alive and present and the exception to the "they all have memories" etc

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2 minutes ago, karaddin said:

Well our Gamora is dead, past Gamora is alive and present and the exception to the "they all have memories" etc

Ah yes we have past Gamora, but that kind of sucks for the whole GoTG vibe. None of those memories anymore although I guess if they do GoTG far enough into the future they could gloss over it and say she struck up the same kind of relationship they had before, and everyone filled her in on what had happened.

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10 hours ago, Jeor said:

Part of me wondered why he needed to actually use the gauntlet in a "snap" situation to make Thanos and all his army vanish. Maybe he could have "conventionally" used it which wouldn't have killed him from the strain - but I guess in the desperation of the moment you just do what you can.

I think he probably sent them back in time and erased their memory. Otherwise the timeline would be stuffed. 

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2 minutes ago, ants said:

I think he probably sent them back in time and erased their memory. Otherwise the timeline would be stuffed. 

Ah, now that's an idea! If Stark sent them back in time, then pretty much everything stands as is. Gamora and Loki are the only outliers.

They did just disintegrate away, though, which leads you to think they just kicked the bucket, or at least are now stuck in the same limbo that the others were. I'm still not sure if the Snapped people truly died and had to be fully resurrected or if they were just held in stasis.

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2 hours ago, denstorebog said:

One question though: The team puts the stones back into their proper timelines once done with them, to prevent massive changes to the whole MCU universe timeline. But Loki escapes with the Tesseract in the 'new' version of the NY battle aftermath. So does that still happen? I assume yes, because that would create a foundation for a Loki TV series that takes place concurrently with the Phase 1 / 2 / 3 movies.

I assuming as part of his job in the past Cap collected Loki and the tesseract and returned them to their proper spot in time all trussed up (or at least so the avengers could find him and send him to Asgard. 

Gamora being missing is hard for the timeline though. 

It just maybe there is an alternative line which will never be touched on again. 

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3 minutes ago, ants said:

Gamora being missing is hard for the timeline though.

Yes, I think this is the hardest part, especially as they've already set the stage for another Guardians film.

I'm guessing they won't stuff around with any of this timeline stuff anymore and they'll just carry on from here. Gamora won't have all the memories but the others will fill her in and at some point Quill and her will hook up again and it'll all be fine! Or they could play it more risky and string it out more.

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