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2 minutes ago, Spockydog said:

Spoken like someone who doesn't have to worry about getting to games every other week.

Yeah, that is a drawback for fans, but only a small portion of them travel to away games anyway.  In American sports, where distances/costs are comparable, you just don't have a traveling support.  It would change the atmosphere not to have as many traveling fans, but the gulf in quality and competition far outweigh that for me.

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3 minutes ago, Iskaral Pust said:

Yeah, that is a drawback for fans, but only a small portion of them travel to away games anyway.  In American sports, where distances/costs are comparable, you just don't have a traveling support.  It would change the atmosphere not to have as many traveling fans, but the gulf in quality and competition far outweigh that for me.

This isn't America. A European league would be disastrous for English football. Fans of the clubs in the frame for this bullshit are unequivocally against it.

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9 minutes ago, Spockydog said:

Spoken like someone who doesn't have to worry about getting to games every other week. A European league would be awful. 

 

 

I don't have to worry about getting to games and I find the idea of a super league distasteful and outright disrespectful.

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Just now, polishgenius said:

 

 

I don't have to worry about getting to games and I find the idea of a super league distasteful and outright disrespectful.

There you go. Nobody wants it. 

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Just now, Spockydog said:

This isn't America. A European league would be disastrous for English football. 

This is an old debate.  It would be financially disastrous for the second tier clubs in every top league, nothing unique to English clubs, but it would improve the quality of competition for the highest level players.  The best English players would get to play a much more skillful and tactical game. 

The PL was supposed to be disastrous for the lower leagues but they've actually done ok with trickle down from player sales, aspiration of reaching the elite level, and playing a very competitive league.  Is it really better for half the PL teams park the bus for 12 games a season or else play their own game in every league match.

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3 minutes ago, Iskaral Pust said:

 

The PL was supposed to be disastrous for the lower leagues but they've actually done ok with trickle down from player sales, aspiration of reaching the elite level, and playing a very competitive league. 



The PL was a big change but ultimately it was a change of management of the top division. It didn't uproot the entire structure and take the best teams away from competition with the rest.

 

A European league would mean the fans of the smaller clubs don't get the big games, and in developmental terms, the players in the smaller clubs don't get to test themselves aainst the big teams either. Not to mention viewrship and money would collapse. Plus promotion and relegation into such a league would either be an utter nonsense or it would be a closed shop, an idea which shouldn't be entertained for a fraction of a second.

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Fucking hell.

Not confident about beating Spurs in the final at all.

Would have preferred an open game of free flowing football against Ajax, rather than being kicked to bits by shithousing Spurs.

But fucking hell.

That was incredible. 

Football.

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A European Super League would be an utter travesty as far as I'm concerned. Playing against the top sides is a special occasion. Playing Juve, Bayern, Barca, Real Madrid every season year-in and year-out takes that away. There'd probably be no promotion/relegation either and that would take away a deeply ingrained aspect of football. I'd absolutely loathe an NBA/NFL type closed shop. Also, none of these 'super' clubs would be where they are now without their domestic leagues. Saying fuck you very much and abandoning their domestic leagues to rot would be utterly despicable.

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4 minutes ago, Iskaral Pust said:

This is an old debate.  It would be financially disastrous for the second tier clubs in every top league, nothing unique to English clubs, but it would improve the quality of competition for the highest level players.  The best English players would get to play a much more skillful and tactical game. 

The PL was supposed to be disastrous for the lower leagues but they've actually done ok with trickle down from player sales, aspiration of reaching the elite level, and playing a very competitive league.  Is it really better for half the PL teams park the bus for 12 games a season or else play their own game in every league match.

It's a bullshit idea that risks bursting the football bubble in this country. IIRC, they want to create a league where the fattest of the football cats are exempt from relegation. How is this supposed to help the clubs left behind?

And yeah, of course nobody ever parks the bus in European football. :wacko:

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31 minutes ago, Soylent Brown said:

But nothing really changed with the Premier League. In effect it was just a rebranding of the existing leagues.

 

28 minutes ago, polishgenius said:



The PL was a big change but ultimately it was a change of management of the top division. It didn't uproot the entire structure and take the best teams away from competition with the rest.

 

A European league would mean the fans of the smaller clubs don't get the big games, and in developmental terms, the players in the smaller clubs don't get to test themselves aainst the big teams either. Not to mention viewrship and money would collapse. Plus promotion and relegation into such a league would either be an utter nonsense or it would be a closed shop, an idea which shouldn't be entertained for a fraction of a second.

The PL dramatically changed the money.  The financial capacity got stretched incredibly, which makes it much harder for promoted teams to stick around unless they get new ownership who injects a ton of money.  And the expansion of the CL at the same time increased the money at the very top of the PL which meant the top 4 (now top 6) became its own mini-division that also could not be broken into unless you had some external financing and/or a huge new stadium and international marketing.  The distance between teams grew enormous.

Lower league players don't get to play against the best teams now.  If they get drawn against a top 6 team in a cup, then they'll be playing bench warmers and kids.  Second tier PL players barely even get to play against top 6 teams: they're sent out to park the bus and hope to nick a goal from a set-piece.  The financial distortion is already destroying football.  You get more competitive games in the Championship than you do in the PL.  Watching a top 6 team gradually break down a deep defense isn't much fun for either set of fans or players, and certainly isn't helping the players develop.

Better to throw the financial elites into their own pool and let the other clubs have an open competition.

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Might be because I was supporting Ajax and am naturally a pessimistic football fan, but tonight’s result really has taken it to the point where ludicrously improbable Champions League comebacks are feeling rather blasé. As soon as the first goal went in, it seemed on the cards - though I wasn’t expecting the winner to come quite so late.

 

In no way are lower league football clubs prospering at the moment. Just today we have had Bolton and Macclesfield’s continued existence fall into jeopardy. Go and have a look at the Accrington owner, Andy Holt’s twitter if you are really interested in what it is like.

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10 minutes ago, Iskaral Pust said:

The financial distortion is already destroying football. 

 

 

13 minutes ago, Iskaral Pust said:

The PL dramatically changed the money.  The financial capacity got stretched incredibly, which makes it much harder for promoted teams to stick around unless they get new ownership who injects a ton of money.  And the expansion of the CL at the same time increased the money at the very top of the PL which meant the top 4 (now top 6) became its own mini-division that also could not be broken into unless you had some external financing and/or a huge new stadium and international marketing.  The distance between teams grew enormous. 

And you think that would be eased by a super league?  Also the bolded isn't really true at all, since the inception of the Prem plenty of teams have gotten promoted and stuck around, and sure, some of them have needed money, and others have been Bournemouth and Burnley (just from the most recent years).

 

20 minutes ago, Iskaral Pust said:

Second tier PL players barely even get to play against top 6 teams: they're sent out to park the bus and hope to nick a goal from a set-piece.

 

Apart from you dramatically ovestating how true this is (some teams do, some teams do sometimes, and Wolves didn't collect all those points against the top 6 by doing that at all), it's really coming off right now like you want to destroy all the smaller clubs because they temerity to try to win games against Liverpool. Because you are completely failing to acknowledge that that's what it would do.

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I really don't know how it's not front page news, but Everton's U23 team completed their leage-and-cup double yesterday.

Clearly that deserves attention - it's not like some bigger football stories have happened lately.

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First off, what a crazy couple of days?! This has got to be the wildest Champions League I can remember.

Secondly, for years the English media and fans have been calling the EPL "the best league on the planet" and while the TV money and viewership has certainly been number one, there have been reasons to think that hyperbole. The Champions League in particular has had a way of "disproving" those statements. But, but...the style of play/pace of the league has led to the mentality that on any given day anyone in the EPL can beat anyone else. More so than anywhere else in Europe at least. And as of this year, the UCL final and maybe the Europa League final will be contested by all English sides. 

Is this the year the rest of Europe acknowledges that the Premier League, for all is boasting, is actually the best league in the world?

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Naw, one season doesn't accomplish that, any more than a season where only Arsenal reached the last four of either competition marked the Prem as shit and dead. These things swing quite quickly. A few years in a row of consistent success by several teams and we can start considering that claim.

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