History was made.

[TheValonqarThatWasAzorAhai]

To the best of my knowledge this was the first time someone from all corners of Planetos were in one spot and united to face a common enemy.  You had someone from 6 out of the 7 Kingdoms (really Riverlands), North of the Wall, Essos, Sothryos, and beyond.  They were all brought together by Dany and Jon.

[darmody]

7 hours ago, TheValonqarThatWasAzorAhai said:

To the best of my knowledge this was the first time someone from all corners of Planetos were in one spot and united to face a common enemy.  You had someone from 6 out of the 7 Kingdoms (really Riverlands), North of the Wall, Essos, Sothryos, and beyond.  They were all brought together by Dany and Jon.

Where were the Dornish? Did Urine bring down the entire Kingdom of Pornia?

[AryaNymeriaVisenya]

8 hours ago, TheValonqarThatWasAzorAhai said:

To the best of my knowledge this was the first time someone from all corners of Planetos were in one spot and united to face a common enemy.  You had someone from 6 out of the 7 Kingdoms (really Riverlands), North of the Wall, Essos, Sothryos, and beyond.  They were all brought together by Dany and Jon.

Theon turned up for Sansa. Brienne was there for Sansa and Arya, Jaime and Pod were there for Brienne. Sandor, Melisandre and Beric were there for Arya. 

[Greenmonsterff]

I don’t know anything about Sothryos. Who is from there?

[TheValonqarThatWasAzorAhai]

2 hours ago, darmody said:

Where were the Dornish? Did Urine bring down the entire Kingdom of Pornia?

Jo Snow was born in Dorne.

[TheValonqarThatWasAzorAhai]

35 minutes ago, Greenmonsterff said:

I don’t know anything about Sothryos. Who is from there?

Missendi and some of the Unsullied.

[TheValonqarThatWasAzorAhai]

5 hours ago, AryaNymeriaVisenya said:

Theon turned up for Sansa. Brienne was there for Sansa and Arya, Jaime and Pod were there for Brienne. Sandor, Melisandre and Beric were there for Arya. 

If Yara didn’t go to Dany and make an alliance and Jon wouldn’t have talked to Theon and given him the courage to rescue Yara, I don’t think he wouldn’t have gone back to Winterfell.  Also he didn’t go back just for Sansa, he went back because it was his home.

Melisandre started out with Stannis, realized she was wrong about him.  When Jon was resurrected and when she met Dany, it caused her to have doubts and go back to a Lord of Light Temple to analyze her visions and find out where she went wrong in interpreting them (at least that’s what I think).  They both played their parts in uniting the world against the threat of the dead.

[Ser Loras The Gay]

So? When late king Robert visited Ned Stark at winterfell every kingdom was there as well. What's your point really?

[TheValonqarThatWasAzorAhai]

2 minutes ago, Ser Loras The Gay said:

So? When late king Robert visited Ned Stark at winterfell every kingdom was there as well. What's your point really?

I’m talking about all of Planetos, not just the Seven Kingdoms of Westeros.  North of the Wall, Essos, and Sothryos along with Westeros.  Read the whole post.

[Ser Loras The Gay]

Okay, so if Robert asked some merchants of Essos to come to a feast at some point to make a deal with the Iron bank, History would be made just because a lot of people gathered? What was the point of your post?

[TheValonqarThatWasAzorAhai]

3 hours ago, Ser Loras The Gay said:

Okay, so if Robert asked some merchants of Essos to come to a feast at some point to make a deal with the Iron bank, History would be made just because a lot of people gathered? What was the point of your post?

The Prince That Was Promised prophecy has been fulfilled by both Jon and Dany.  They united the world to battle the coming dark and army of the dead.  That is my point.

[RhaenysBee]

I thought history was made because this was the worst episode in the entire series? 

[MinscS2]

7 minutes ago, TheValonqarThatWasAzorAhai said:

The Prince That Was Promised prophecy has been fulfilled by both Jon and Dany.  They united the world to battle the coming dark and army of the dead.  That is my point.

Careful now, soon you'll get flamed by people who are convinced that they where both ultimately pointless as far as the story goes, and that Arya would've been able to kill the NK whenever, wherever, because the power of magical audience-hindsight.

Hmm, come to think of it, the main characters ending up being totally pointless from a story perspective, well if that isn't trope-subversion I don't know what is.
This show is brilliant! Too bad Indiana Jones did it 30 years ago...

[darmody]

7 hours ago, TheValonqarThatWasAzorAhai said:

Jo Snow was born in Dorne.

I don't think there's jus soli birthright citizenship in Westeros. 

[dbunting]

2 hours ago, MinscS2 said:

Careful now, soon you'll get flamed by people who are convinced that they where both ultimately pointless as far as the story goes, and that Arya would've been able to kill the NK whenever, wherever, because the power of magical audience-hindsight.

Hmm, come to think of it, the main characters ending up being totally pointless from a story perspective, well if that isn't trope-subversion I don't know what is.
This show is brilliant! Too bad Indiana Jones did it 30 years ago...

How were they pointless exactly? I'm sensing sarcasm but not entirely sure.

[darmody]

54 minutes ago, dbunting said:

How were they pointless exactly? I'm sensing sarcasm but not entirely sure.

Imagine the castle had been empty except for Bran sitting by the tree. Arya is somewhere within a ten mile radius. The Night King takes his sweet time rolling up with his crew, dismounts his dragon, and strolls over to the object of his desire. Probably be expects a trap, but his army is there and he'll take care of it, whatever. 

Then Arya materializes above him and does the same thing. Boom, they're all gone. 

So I ask, what difference did every other character make?

[dbunting]

32 minutes ago, darmody said:

Imagine the castle had been empty except for Bran sitting by the tree. Arya is somewhere within a ten mile radius. The Night King takes his sweet time rolling up with his crew, dismounts his dragon, and strolls over to the object of his desire. Probably be expects a trap, but his army is there and he'll take care of it, whatever. 

Then Arya materializes above him and does the same thing. Boom, they're all gone. 

So I ask, what difference did every other character make?

Yeah ok so this makes no sense whatsoever. Something I'd expect in rant rave section.

I'll even play along because why not.

Jon went north to get a wight to show Cersie. Dany saved him and lost a dragon. The NK now has a dragon to take down the wall, so Jon and Dany served a purpose, to get the NK past the wall.

[darmody]

12 minutes ago, dbunting said:

Yeah ok so this makes no sense whatsoever. Something I'd expect in rant rave section.

I'll even play along because why not.

Jon went north to get a wight to show Cersie. Dany saved him and lost a dragon. The NK now has a dragon to take down the wall, so Jon and Dany served a purpose, to get the NK past the wall.

They did, yes. For the enemy.

Obviously the Night King needed to be on Bran's side of the Wall for them to kill him with Bran-bait. And in that sense Jon and Danny served a purpose by enacting the Wight Hunt Farce. But it would've been better for the Army of the Dead to never have breached the Wall, so I'm not giving them credit. 

The point, you see, is that the entire battle was a trap for one Ice Demon, and all the blood and death was basically a delaying tactic. But what is the point if your trap never went off? Or I guess it did when Danny burned him, but that didn't work. 

Everything came down to Arya's trick. And we didn't need a giant battle for that. Literally all we needed was Bran and Arya. 

[dbunting]

1 minute ago, darmody said:

They did, yes. For the enemy.

Obviously the Night King needed to be on Bran's side of the Wall for them to kill him with Bran-bait. And in that sense Jon and Danny served a purpose by enacting the Wight Hunt Farce. But it would've been better for the Army of the Dead to never have breached the Wall, so I'm not giving them credit. 

The point, you see, is that the entire battle was a trap for one Ice Demon, and all the blood and death was basically a delaying tactic. But what is the point if your trap never went off? Or I guess it did when Danny burned him, but it didn't work. 

Everything came down to Arya's trick. And we didn't need a giant battle for that. Literally all we needed was Bran and Arya. 

C'mon use a little sense. Had Jon gotten to face him in the field he could have beaten him as well, since Jon and several others had valeryian steel swords. Arya was not the only one who could do it.  

As far as setting a trap, what else could they do? They knew they were outnumbered like 10-1 minimum. They couldn't hold up in WF, too large an army, most wouldn't fit inside. They can't retreat at this point, and where would you go? They had to make a stand and do the best they could. There were some horrible tactics but that's another thread.

 

Would you have preferred it if there was no battle and it was just Bran in the godswood and Arya on a trampoline waiting to pounce? I am still waiting for the explanation of how she got past everyone and jumped in there though. We see the one Wights hair move and I have to assume Arya went sonic hedgehog speed past them?

[darmody]

10 minutes ago, dbunting said:

C'mon use a little sense. Had Jon gotten to face him in the field he could have beaten him as well, since Jon and several others had valeryian steel swords. Arya was not the only one who could do it.  

As far as setting a trap, what else could they do? They knew they were outnumbered like 10-1 minimum. They couldn't hold up in WF, too large an army, most wouldn't fit inside. They can't retreat at this point, and where would you go? They had to make a stand and do the best they could. There were some horrible tactics but that's another thread.

 

Would you have preferred it if there was no battle and it was just Bran in the godswood and Arya on a trampoline waiting to pounce? I am still waiting for the explanation of how she got past everyone and jumped in there though. We see the one Wights hair move and I have to assume Arya went sonic hedgehog speed past them?

Flip Arya and Jon and it would be no different. Except the fight would have been more plausible and Jon had to earn a confrontation by knocking the Night King off his dragon. Arya just teleported behind him. 

What I would have preferred is a battle that actually mattered. The way it played out, the only thing that mattered was the Night King, Bran, and Arya being in the same place. And there's no indication the Night King needed an army at Winterfell to lure him. He tried to get Bran when there were only like two people protecting him under the tree, remember?

Maybe if Arya getting in a position to kill him required a battle...But no. She materialized out of thin air. And the battle actually slowed her down.