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6 hours ago, karaddin said:

I feel like if there had been this coordinated attack on women's rights a few years ago there would have been pages of outrage and discussion. Have so many stopped posting or is everyone just worn down past the point of commenting by the relentless attacks (which is part of why they do it)?

Yep.

It's also pretty much hopeless as far as countering it. What, are we going to unelect Kavanaugh? 

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5 hours ago, lokisnow said:

We can't undo this. they've won and they've written the rules to mean they can never lose.

I understand that they've won within the system, you're at the point there is still the tiniest chance of changing this if the American people rise up and respond with mass civil unrest. But that requires the seed of hope or belief that you can change anything. I'm not asking about the despair because I'm ignorant of how fucked your system is, I'm asking because I do. I've been acknowledging the problem as long as the likes of Sarah Kandzior have been shouting about the danger.

This is the last chance, if Americans don't have enough self belief to truly fight this then you'll sinking into some truly dark times and as the world super power the rest of the world will get dragged down too. The Democrats aren't saving us, the courts aren't saving us and the vaunted checks and balances sure aren't either. Fear of mass unrest and uprising is the only thing that might.

And I understand that the whole 2nd amendment being a protection against government oppression utterly fails when the vast majority of those exercising the right are more likely to form a citizens militia to be the vanguard of the oppression.

So I don't know what I'm looking for, I guess I just want to see people not going quietly into that [not] good night.

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They won't because these laws you are talking about, are supported by the majority of people in Alabama. Everyone here is talking about how much these laws hurt women, but it's ignoring that in the states these laws are passing they are supported by a majority of women. 

When you say rise up, who? Those who are against these laws don't for the most part live in Alabama. The people of Alabama have been chomping at the bit to pass these laws for decades. They'll get them and just like Kansas they'll regret it. They've been able to keep up support because it's a lot easier to be in favor of banning something when it's academic and you don;t suffer the consequences of actually enacting the ban, see the Republicans and the ACA. 

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Democrats chose en masse not to vote in 2010 and this is the result, elections have consequences, especially that one. Rahm and Obama explicitly said they did not give a fuck about appointing judges in 2009, and this is the result. Dean said to campaign everywhere all the time and got a sixty seat senate in two years, Obama said “that’s fucking stupid! it’s not the most efficient use of resources” and all the wonks nodded sagely in mathematical agreement as Obama put a stop to it and this is the result.

Democrats are only getting handed to them the obvious consequences of their leaderships major decisions, it just took a while for the chickens to come home to roost, but functionally this is what they’ve wanted.

the best outcome for democrat leadership is perpetually open pockets of donors combined with no majorities in any chamber and no primary challengers. That is how you live the truly good life as a politician—it is what you are entitled to!

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When I say rise up I mean the entire country. Mass protests and general strikes. I know it's not easy and I know it doesn't come without a cost, but the alternative is letting a fascist state be built brick by brick and the women of colour that will be the first targeted by these laws don't have the luxury of tapping out in despair.

And I've seen data that is quite to the contrary that a majority of people even in the deep red states support banning abortion - even among some of those that do support it, these new laws are seen as going too far. See Pat Robertson saying that ffs.

 

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despair is unauthorized, comrades.  recall that the edifice of stalinism was overthrown via parliamentary procedure from within, even as the CIA wrote estimates of its infallibility and hardened cold warriors such as bobby conquest planned to fight off a red dawn invasion. 

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1 hour ago, karaddin said:

When I say rise up I mean the entire country. Mass protests and general strikes. I know it's not easy and I know it doesn't come without a cost, but the alternative is letting a fascist state be built brick by brick and the women of colour that will be the first targeted by these laws don't have the luxury of tapping out in despair.

And I've seen data that is quite to the contrary that a majority of people even in the deep red states support banning abortion - even among some of those that do support it, these new laws are seen as going too far. See Pat Robertson saying that ffs.

 

You know a law is draconian as fuck when even people like Pat Robertson and Tomi Lahren are criticizing it.

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hubris of overreach.  these statutes can be crushed out like cigarettes by the current court.  how much damage in the process, though, to the planned parenthood v. casey framework, which had already been a two-thirds overruling of roe v. wade?  we can envision a result that holds the statutes repugnant but nevertheless constricts the right to terminate.

perhaps there's some cause for concern about constriction in the recent tax board v. hyatt case, which overturned a rule of decision that had been in place for forty years. the dissent is concerned that casey will be proscribed next--though i am reading the majority opinion to adopt a countertextual rationale, finding an unstated soveteign immunity in the structure of the constitution.  this is the rightwing majority authorizing a penumbra rationale, which means that the hermeneutic foundation for griswold privacy is enhanced rather than eroded.

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People keep saying Robertson is criticizing the law, but as far as I can tell he’s only criticizing the fact that he thinks it’s too harsh a law to get Roe v Wade overturned. I’m fairly certain he’s not opposed to it in principle. 

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Well, they got the rat in Congresss on tape. Devin Nunes maybe?

Prosecutors: Person 'connected to' Congress tried to influence Flynn's cooperation with Mueller

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/16/michael-flynn-mueller-report-1329656

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An unidentified person “connected to … Congress” allegedly tried to influence former national security adviser Michael Flynn’s willingness to cooperate with special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation, according to a filing unsealed in federal court Thursday.

In a newly unredacted filing from prosecutors related to Flynn’s sentencing — originally submitted to a federal judge in December — Mueller’s team revealed that Flynn assisted Mueller’s investigation of efforts by President Donald Trump and his allies to thwart Mueller’s probe into Russian interference in the 2016 election.


“The defendant informed the government of multiple instances, both before and after his guilty plea, where either he or his attorneys received communications from persons connected to the Administration or Congress that could’ve affected both his willingness to cooperate and the completeness of that cooperation,” according to the newly revealed portion of the filing. “The defendant even provided a voicemail recording of one such communication.”

 

 

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Yeah, everyone has to apologize to Todd Akin now. He is totally in the mainstream these days. He is going to known as the guy that made women carry their rapist's child because Jesus wanted it that way. 

 

Why the Anti-Abortion Movement Stopped Making Allowances for Rape and Incest

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/05/anti-abortion-movement-rape-incest-exceptions.html

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For some anti-abortion activists, Akin’s blunder was a wake-up call. To them, the problem wasn’t that Akin was wrong to suggest that anti-abortion policies didn’t need to include exceptions for women who had become pregnant by rape. It was that his explanation was medically nonsensical and distracting. “We’re going to re-look at how we endorse and train candidates,” the president of the Susan B. Anthony List, Marjorie Dannenfelser, said in a speech the day after the election. “From now on, they will not be sent in the field with our support without knowing how to actually discuss the issue with compassion and love, and to exploit the other candidate’s extremes.”

 

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Oh look, a psychopathic nazi is about to 'lead' ICE

Trump’s pick for ICE director: I can tell which migrant children will become gang members by looking into their eyes

I find it a nice touch this is the same fixation that Mengele had and went looking for in his human experimentation death camp victims. There is even a documented quote i forget that is almost exactly the same.

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Since environmentalists weren't even talking about this in 1980, one wonders if some people in the oil industry started seeding environmental groups with information to get the ball rolling, because the oil industry starting things off would have killed their stock value and they couldn't have that, but something needed to be done.

Unfortunately it might have taken too long to make real progress.

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Trump administration pressure on Iran strains Bolton-Pompeo relationship
The Secretary of State has bridled at the seasoned national security adviser's grip on the policy process, but is more in sync with the president they serve.

Rising tensions between the U.S. and Iran are also magnifying strains among President Donald Trump’s top foreign policy advisers: Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and national security adviser John Bolton.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/17/bolton-pompeo-trump-iran-1329833

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Trump’s “maximum pressure” campaign against the mullahs in Tehran has exacerbated fissures between the two men over the tight control Bolton has tried to exert over the national security decision-making process — and introduced new ones over the direction of U.S. policy.


Pompeo and his special representative for Iran, Brian Hook, have indicated that the administration’s goal in squeezing Iran is renewed negotiations with Iranian regime, according to two sources familiar with their thinking — something Trump has expressed a desire to do. But Bolton is a deep skeptic of the value of negotiating with adversaries who, before joining the White House, called publicly for regime change in Tehran.

While Pompeo has worked to carry out the president’s foreign policy directives, Bolton has done more to try to shape them — at times contradicting the president, as when he walked back Trump’s call for a rapid U.S. troop withdrawal from Syria.

 

 

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14 hours ago, lokisnow said:

so long as Pence is the first masturbator charged and jailed...

You sick bastard. How could you be so cruel? The man is reduced to using his tears as lube because of his shame. 

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On 5/15/2019 at 8:42 PM, lokisnow said:

Counter: Trump is Anti Family! Trump is making Immigration ANTI FAMILY!
that did not seem difficult to counter.

Not only anti-family, he's literally saying we need to bring immigrants over to:
 

 

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Additionally, these states that are making miscarriages felonies are the same states that disenfranchise people with a jail record.  I.e. another weapon for taking away the vote from women and African Americans.

 

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So, Trump may use federal troops to enforce immigration laws. Perfectly normal, surely there will be no abuses.

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