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Not Buying it! Cersi, Hound, Bronn

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1 hour ago, SuperMario said:

So blowing up The Sept of Baelor is ok, but killing one relative when she's already killed others is not ok to the masses?

Sure...

Right? She blew up the Sept that was filled with nobles and no one bats an eye. In fact they crowned her for it and not single person from lowest of the low to highest of the high had a problem with this. Why would anyone care that she kills her brother who killed Tywin and is accused of killing a king who is also coming to conquer them? 

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6 hours ago, chasing the dragons said:

Cersi easily could've put arrows through Tyrion, Dany, and Grey Worm and had it fit her character arc. What, she can kill Missandei but not the leader of the rival army?  I'm not buying it.

A chance to prevent an inevitable war and keep her throne but chooses to send a message by having Missandei executed instead. Sure she's arrogant but is she also that deluded to think that keeping the Iron Throne will be that easy? Qyburn seemed extremely confident so I wouldn't be surprised.

The exchange of words before the war would make sense if it were anybody but Cersei, just doesn't fit her irrational character.

6 hours ago, chasing the dragons said:

The hound! F*ck The King is left for dead, "reborn" with the bwb, lives to see the dawn after the battle of winterfell and STILL has a hair across his ass for his brother? not buying it

Probably one of the last attempts to give this season a scene worth remembering - it's been meaning to happen

6 hours ago, chasing the dragons said:

Bronn, the whole scene, his character arc. not buying it. 

That was a pathetic scene, he just rocks up and makes a ridiculous statement on how Jaime would never have really been a threat to him then leaves after Tyrion promises to give him more than what Cersei has to offer. Even Tyrion trying to negotiate Bronn killing Cersei instead would have made more sense. anything but the scene we watched.

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Bronn was ruined. He should have killed Tyrion. That would have been much deeper than Missendei. 

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Exactly my thoughts.

  • Bronn waltzing into Winterfell unnoticed, where's the guards?
  • Bronn not caring to betray two people he was previously been loyal to, ruined character. This guy previously risked his own ass to save Jamie when he charged towards Drogon, and volunteered himself to be a champion for Tyion during his trial in the Eyrie.
  • Jamie back peddling and going back to Cersei, how does he not understand that it was her that hired Bronn to kill them? What was the point of his relationship to Brienne? 
  • Cersei hires Bronn to kill these two, but then she doesn't kill Tyrion or anyone else when they show up to talk to her at Kings Landing. 

STUPID STUPID STUPID!!!

Edited by GOTFanatic

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1 hour ago, GOTFanatic said:

Exactly my thoughts.

  • Bronn waltzing into Winterfell unnoticed, where's the guards?
  • Bronn not caring to betray two people he was previously been loyal to, ruined character. This guy previously risked his own ass to save Jamie when he charged towards Drogon, and volunteered himself to be a champion for Tyion during his trial in the Eyrie.
  • Jamie back peddling and going back to Cersei, how does he not understand that it was her that hired Bronn to kill them? What was the point of his relationship to Brienne? 
  • Cersei hires Bronn to kill these two, but then she doesn't kill Tyrion or anyone else when they show up to talk to her at Kings Landing. 

STUPID STUPID STUPID!!!

Cersei's goal wasn't to kill the leader of the rival army. Her goal was to provoke Daenerys into burning the city, to paint her as the villain. That's why she didn't kill Daenerys or any of the others.

Also, Bronn wasn't in Winterfell. He was in Winter Town.

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So they can hit a flying dragon from a moving and swaying ship far far away with every shot, but they cannot hit a grounded one nor Dany that are standing still.

Ridiculous does not begin to describe what the show has become.

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1 minute ago, Dragons 7th Eye said:

So they can hit a flying dragon from a moving and swaying ship far far away with every shot, but they cannot hit a grounded one nor Dany that are standing still.

Ridiculous does not begin to describe what the show has become.

They could have hit Drogon, but that wasn't the goal there. The plan was to provoke Daenerys into attacking King's Landing, knowing she would have to go through innocent lives to take the throne.

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13 hours ago, Ser Gareth said:

It may not be in an arena, but the fight between them has been foreshadowed since the first book.  It's happening.

ICAM, Sandor's done in the books but Clegane Bowl is going to be epic.

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14 hours ago, adiman83 said:

Cersei's goal wasn't to kill the leader of the rival army. Her goal was to provoke Daenerys into burning the city, to paint her as the villain. That's why she didn't kill Daenerys or any of the others.

Also, Bronn wasn't in Winterfell. He was in Winter Town.

No her prime goal is to kill all of her enemies, she sent Bronn to assassinate Tyrion and Jamie, but doesn't kill Tyrion when he is right in front of her. Why would rather paint her as a villain, when can outright get rid of her? Your defenses of this awful writing don't stand up.

So he was in a town close to Winterfell, okay, but they should still be guarded. Tyrion is the hand of the Queen, and Jamie is a loyal ally, they shouldn't be travelling without several guards at least. 

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On 5/6/2019 at 8:38 AM, Astromech said:

Cleganebowl!!!!! It must happen!

The question is, will dragonglass kill a Qyburn-Zombie the same way it does an Others zombie?  Does the Hound still have his axe?  Or they will have Arya loan him her V-steel dagger. 

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On ‎5‎/‎6‎/‎2019 at 3:06 PM, Deminelle said:

To kill his brother. There could be something else though. :dunno:

Facelift?  

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3 hours ago, Spaßvogel said:

The question is, will dragonglass kill a Qyburn-Zombie the same way it does an Others zombie?  Does the Hound still have his axe?  Or they will have Arya loan him her V-steel dagger. 

I'll admit, I thought the exact same thing. 

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8 hours ago, GOTFanatic said:

No her prime goal is to kill all of her enemies, she sent Bronn to assassinate Tyrion and Jamie, but doesn't kill Tyrion when he is right in front of her. Why would rather paint her as a villain, when can outright get rid of her? Your defenses of this awful writing don't stand up.

So he was in a town close to Winterfell, okay, but they should still be guarded. Tyrion is the hand of the Queen, and Jamie is a loyal ally, they shouldn't be travelling without several guards at least. 

Her ultimate goal is to kill her enemies, sure. But when it comes to the throne, Cersei's best chance is to make herself look like a lesser evil than Daenerys. Remember that maybe with the exception of the Westerlands and the Crownlands, none of the other kingdoms support her. Eliminating Daenerys, Tyrion and Varys right then and there would only serve to enrage the other side and push Jon to the Throne. But if she provokes the dragon queen into attacking King's Landing, and burn innocent lives in the process, she immediately paints her as a Targaryen monster that came to torment the realm with her dragon.

All this is supported by the earlier scene, where Cersei lets commoners into the Red Keep under a false pretense. They think the Crown is protecting them but Cersei made it clear they're only there to serve as dragon fodder. She said it herself: if Daenerys wants the throne, she will have to kill thousands of innocent people. 

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16 hours ago, adiman83 said:

Her ultimate goal is to kill her enemies, sure. But when it comes to the throne, Cersei's best chance is to make herself look like a lesser evil than Daenerys. Remember that maybe with the exception of the Westerlands and the Crownlands, none of the other kingdoms support her. Eliminating Daenerys, Tyrion and Varys right then and there would only serve to enrage the other side and push Jon to the Throne. But if she provokes the dragon queen into attacking King's Landing, and burn innocent lives in the process, she immediately paints her as a Targaryen monster that came to torment the realm with her dragon.

All this is supported by the earlier scene, where Cersei lets commoners into the Red Keep under a false pretense. They think the Crown is protecting them but Cersei made it clear they're only there to serve as dragon fodder. She said it herself: if Daenerys wants the throne, she will have to kill thousands of innocent people. 

The flaw in your reasoning is that nobody else is there to witness this, so killing them isn't going to automatically propagate throughout the kingdom. Also killing them would end the threat to her rule and thus there would be no need to make Dany look more evil.

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Attack on KL was a disaster.  I don't even remember it.  It's like "what happened"?  Did something happen?

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On 5/6/2019 at 11:36 AM, Hodor's Dragon said:

The very idea that Daenerys and Tyrion would go stand right in front of the castle gate within easy reach of arrows, not to mention that daunting row of ballistae, is just utter nonsense. How about a messenger? A raven? Anything other than just offering up your own body for destruction?

It was so unrealistic that I spent half the scene wondering whose dream it was supposed to be. I mean, this hogwash couldn't actually be interpreted as a real scene. Could it?

Why do you think in the scene they had Dany, the dragon, and everyone else standing a distance away? Why do you think that, when Tyrion approached, the bowmen drew? They put plenty in the scene to suggest that Dany was out of range. They didn't get out a tape measure to show it.

When you're filming a TV show, you have considerations like framing a scene. If they had them standing 1/2 a mile away they couldn't have framed decent shots. And your suggestions would make a simple scene clunky and complicated. The show would not have been better if they established two locations, explained what they were, then had communication by ravens or messengers. And of course the point of the scene was a parley, which typically happens exactly as the scene was shot. I agree that Cersei would be liable to dishonor a parley, but that's why they put in elements specifically to establish when Tyrion reached bow range, and why Dany stood close to soldiers who could create a shield wall.

At some point you have to recognize and accept the contextual clues in a scene to appreciate what it represents, and recognize the limitations of filming a scene in a reasonably simple and understandable manner, without larding it up with clunky exposition.

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Just now, Forlong the Fat said:

Why do you think in the scene they had Dany, the dragon, and everyone else standing a distance away? Why do you think that, when Tyrion approached, the bowmen drew? They put plenty in the scene to suggest that Dany was out of range. They didn't get out a tape measure to show it.

When you're filming a TV show, you have considerations like framing a scene. If they had them standing 1/2 a mile away they couldn't have framed decent shots. And your suggestions would make a simple scene clunky and complicated. The show would not have been better if they established two locations, explained what they were, then had communication by ravens or messengers. And of course the point of the scene was a parley, which typically happens exactly as the scene was shot. I agree that Cersei would be liable to dishonor a parley, but that's why they put in elements specifically to establish when Tyrion reached bow range, and why Dany stood close to soldiers who could create a shield wall.

At some point you have to recognize and accept the contextual clues in a scene to appreciate what it represents, and recognize the limitations of filming a scene in a reasonably simple and understandable manner, without larding it up with clunky exposition.

Fine, that makes sense and I would be perfectly willing to suspend disbelief for that.

That's one thing. Another is how we were supposed to think Dany and Tyrion were out of range of the dozen super-ballistae pointed at them. Unless I'm very much mistaken, I don't think you can. The scene was total nonsense, and the little "arrow range" touch doesn't save it.

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On 5/6/2019 at 1:30 PM, RhaenysBee said:

cersei’s actions stopped making sense around season 4. 

Bronn was forever butchered. 

And yes, Cleganebowl is totally happening. get hype. 

I can't get hyped for Cleganebowl, D&D will find away to f that up too. 

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8 minutes ago, Hodor's Dragon said:

Fine, that makes sense and I would be perfectly willing to suspend disbelief for that.

That's one thing. Another is how we were supposed to think Dany and Tyrion were out of range of the dozen super-ballistae pointed at them. Unless I'm very much mistaken, I don't think you can. The scene was total nonsense, and the little "arrow range" touch doesn't save it.

What we know is that the ballistae can shoot a fair distance, and that Dany's group stood some distance from the castle. Unless we make the dumbest assumption possible (a common assumption in many of these complaints) one would think that they chose to stand at a safe distance. They added context to establish that bow range was much closer to the castle. And it would have been impractical and unsatisfying to shoot the scene with Dany's group standing a half mile from the castle. 

But you think it's "total nonsense" to shoot the scene in a practical and compelling manner, with added context cues specifically addressing bow range. You should work on your suspension of disbelief when it comes to TV shows.

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