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1 hour ago, KingMudd said:

There's only 2 episodes left, Bran's done. As soon as Arya killed the NK Bran was done. He'll maybe have a few lines here and there but I seriously doubt he'll contribute anything else now.

no i dont think so. brans one of the most important pieces to this. maybe he becomes normal and realizes hes just a cripple and can’t see the past or future anymore...thats bittersweet. maybe all the magic is dying. 

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1 hour ago, ceerup said:

no i dont think so. brans one of the most important pieces to this. maybe he becomes normal and realizes hes just a cripple and can’t see the past or future anymore...thats bittersweet. maybe all the magic is dying. 

I could see them make all magic go away. No Night King stuff anymore, no dragons, no resurrecting people.

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There are some really interesting ideas in this thread but I tend to think they will not happen, and two factors work against Bran being a hero, the hero, or any hero..

1. Viewers: We have watched Bran for season after season and he has become robotic Bran.  Now, we probably overlook him. We have taken him for granted for too long. There would need to be some type of re-introduction of Bran and that is not going to happen, due to #2.

2. Time: There is just not enough time to make viewers care about Bran.  I do not mean care, as in fond of, everyone is fond of Bran, knows he is a Stark, and cheers for his family.  I mean care, like look to with great interest.  We do not expect Bran to leap out of his chair, and run around the room.  We do not expect him to show clever planning or display some intrigue.  We expect him to sit and roll his eyes back at inopportune times. 

If Bran has been playing the long con, and ends up King,  I will be very disappointed in the story.  Martin would be better than this.

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Bran is one of the top 5 important characters per GRRM, so hopefully he’ll do something of actual use before the end of the series.  

I don’t think for a second he wants the IT for himself, but that doesn’t mean he can’t or won’t control what happens with it. 

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On 5/7/2019 at 8:45 PM, Deminelle said:

I could see them make all magic go away. No Night King stuff anymore, no dragons, no resurrecting people.

I think this might ultimately be a choice that needs to be made, and that for there to be real peace and prosperity, magic needs to leave.

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On 5/7/2019 at 8:26 PM, KingMudd said:

There's only 2 episodes left, Bran's done. As soon as Arya killed the NK Bran was done. He'll maybe have a few lines here and there but I seriously doubt he'll contribute anything else now.

Bran is the favorite to sit the Iron Throne in Vegas. 

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12 minutes ago, Gianna Dorenberg said:

Isn't it armored Drogon that Euron was looking at ? What else could it be.

Are you talking about armor in the show where armor is useless?

Seriously, if they go that route how they expect to not be mocked? IT is just completly stupid and bad writting!

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1 hour ago, Gianna Dorenberg said:

Isn't it armored Drogon that Euron was looking at ? What else could it be.

Do you mean the trailer of E05 ? Euron looking into the sun ?

I looked picture by picture, and you can see "something" moving in front of the sun.

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On 5/6/2019 at 10:32 PM, LadyBlackwater said:

episode to heighten the surprise. Its hard to believe that decision was really random

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    Hear me out.

    In an interview with Time Magazine last year, G.R.R.M. explicitly made sure to bring up Beric Dondarrion.

    "he’s not a living human being anymore. His heart isn’t beating, his blood isn’t flowing in his veins, he’s a wight, but a wight animated by fire instead of by ice, now we’re getting back to the whole fire and ice thing"

    So Beric is a "fire wight". And thats obviously foreshadowing something. The big question is, if the Night King animates the ice wights, who then animates the fire wights?

    Here are the Facts:

    Bran is a powerful warg. We know he gets visions of the past, present and future…and can manipulate the past to help save his future self. We don't yet know the extent of this power.

    We knew the Night King can reanimate the dead into evil still-dead soldiers. But this episode we learned he can also manipulate snow and ice at will, sending a full blown blizzard. (This is key.)

    Followers of the Lord of Light believe that their Lord is always at war with his evil opposite diety. Theres always a dichotomy. Light vs Dark. Good vs Bad. Fire vs Ice. Everything in this world has an antithesis.

    The 3 eyed raven seems to be NK's eternal adversary. He intentionally killed the OG 3 eyed raven, and ever since he's been after Bran.

    The lord of light supposedly has a "purpose" for everyone. Consequently, everyone supposedly brought back by the lord of light helped Arya defeat the Night King.

    Bran gave Arya the dagger, and offered himself as bait. So like the Lord of Light, everything Bran has done recently also ultimately leads to Arya defeating the Night King.

     

    We know Bran is the most powerful living being other than the Night King. We know both he and the Lord of Light are working towards the same goal, and both manipulate the storyline.

    It makes sense that Bran is the Lord of light, and all past 3 Eyed Ravens were also the Lord of Light. Or at the very least they’re representatives of him .

    Where was Bran during the battle? Making shit happen. This would make the Night King's death wayyy less anticlimactic than it was.

    Some interesting questions then come up if this all plays out. When the Whites die, their wights they turned die.

    If Bran dies, does Jon automatically die too?

    Now that the Night King is dead, whos the Lord of Light's new opposite to balance out the dichotomy? (Cersei? Danny? perhaps)


    Further Evidence

    Bran's powers are strongest by the Weirwood trees. Aka the "Heart Trees" The trees were worshiped by the First Men (and Children of the forest?) as gods. They're known as "Heart Trees". The lord of light is also known as the "Heart of Fire", with a symbolic heart.

    The Children of the Forest brought back Benjen as a fire-wielding fire wight. They're obviously the key to the power of both the NK and the Lord of Light. They could have created the 3 eyed raven/LoL the same as they created the NK as a counter balance

    Bran (or the OG 3 eyed raven) are likely who drove Aerys II Targaryen mad, whispering for him to "Burn them all". He's been fighting the future battle from the past for a long time.

    In the episode followup commentary, they implied they randomly picked Arya to kill the NK, and wove the episode to heighten the surprise. Its hard to believe that decision was really random

    All of the war and death that was sparked because of Bran. He knew it would happen, but he saw how the alternative story lines would play out, where the Night King wins. He sacrificed whoever he had to for the good of the realm. Much like lord Varys (who he spoke to through the flames after he was cut)

    All of the "magical Lord of Light moments" that are supposedly the God's work, are actually Bran manipulating the past, resurrecting people and making sure Arya got the knife and made it to kill NK.

    Beric getting brought back to life so many times….it wasn't the shitty priest saying a prayer. Both he and Melesandre said he shouldn't have that power. In fact, it was Bran bringing him back to life so he could help Arya during the battle.

    The hound surviving. Septon Ray told him he thought he was a corpse. He also told him that he pretty much died multiple times while he was recovering, but he kept coming back to life. After he comes back to life, he's fighting for good. Again, hound ended up a key figure in getting Arya to the NK.

    Jon coming back. No evidence again to suggest Melesandre's prayer did it. She completely gave up, and he didn't come back to life until a while after.

    The trench lighting on fire…again, it didn't seem to be Melesandre's words that did it. You could see she was getting frustrated/confused when it wasn't working at first. It was actually Bran summoning fire.

    Lord Varys hearing the voice in the flames after he was cut....which is said to be what lead to him ending up in King's Landing and rising to power. After that scene with the priestess in the Pyramid, it cut to Bran’s face.

    The simplest explanation to all of this ...The 3 Eyed Raven is the Night King's opposite. The NK's opposite is the Lord of Light. Therefore, Bran= the Lord of Light (or at least what people think is the Lord of Light due to the signs he brings)

    So how does this play out?


    The Dagger Arch

    First consider the dagger.

    The entire storyline from Season 1 on revolves around the dagger. And the entire dagger story is intrinsically linked to Bran.

    We also know the dagger is ancient, as it appears in Sam's book. Its been passed down from generation to generation, as all existing Valerian steel has been. https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/gameofthrones/images/9/97/Valyrian_steel_dagger_game_of_thrones_catspaw_blade_sam.png/revision/latest?cb=20170723084654

    We don't actually know for sure who owned the dagger, or where the assassin got it. Littlefinger claims it was his but later denies it. Even if it was Littlefinger's, its never explained where he got it. This is important.


    The Theory

    It all but obvious at this point, Bran has been manipulating the plotline the entire time. He knew exactly how the battle was going to end. He knew exactly how to kill the Night King, because he set the trap himself. While warging during the battle, he was likely manipulating events to lead to the final conclusion.

    Everything he has done has revolved around getting the dagger to Arya and getting her safely to the NK. That plan was set in motion all the way back in Season 1.

    Future Bran made sure that dagger was sent to kill his childhood self. He put the key piece in play. He then warged into Summer to kill the assassin.

    Farther back than that, the dagger may have belonged to Aerys Targarian (passed down through their family), and Bran messed with him to make sure it got where it needed to go. (Maybe Jaime or Littlefinger picked it up after the Mad King was slain).

    Arya's training was also crucial/pre-planned. She would have never trained to kill without....1) Bran's assassination attempt being pinned on Tyrion (because of the dagger). And 2) King Robert's Death.

    We already know how he could have manipulated the assassination. He could have also been warged into the wild boar that killed King Robert, if it were for the good of the realm.

    Melesandre told Arya last episode what Syrio Forel told her before he was killed, "What do we say to the god of death? Not today". Homage to the fact that her training was all destined from the beginning.

    What we can take from this…

    If the Night King is Lord of Death, Night, and Ice…he should have an equal opposite. That opposite would of course be the Lord of Life, Light, and Fire (ie. The Lord of Light) .

    The Night King is a physical entity, his opposite should be too. The Lord of Light likely has a physical presence (or a physical champion at the very least). So who is it? they don't ever explicitly show any other being with NK's level of power (or do they?)

    If the Night King can reanimate the dead, his "light" opposite should have an equal level of power to bring life. And if NK's reanimated dead fight for evil, then his opposite's reanimated dead would fight for good/the living.

    George R.R. Martin confirmed this logic, with his mentioning the existence of the "Fire Wight". Beric, Jon, (and maybe the Hound) are one of them. So the above theory that the Lord of Light is the NK's opposite holds water

    If the NK can manifest snow and ice at will. Then his opposite should be able to manifest fire at will. And maybe...communicate with others through it.

    Bran and the Lord of Light are working towards the same goal.

    The 3 Eyed Raven is the NK's ultimate adversary….the force hes always at battle with.

     

I like this theory so much better than the Bran-is-finished theory. Here's an idea how it could look like in the show.

Imagine we get the promised bitter sweet ending and then there is a long sequence of Bran manipulating the past.

By the way, the show want's us to believe for a week or two, that Dany is going insane. Reason enough that exactly this

is not going to happen.

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1 hour ago, Mayor of Winterfell said:

Do you mean the trailer of E05 ? Euron looking into the sun ?

I looked picture by picture, and you can see "something" moving in front of the sun.

Yeah that moment. I just assumed he is a bit shocked to see a dragon fully armored and knowing they're screwed. Gendry probably hooked her up.

I really doubt it's anything else. I'm just going by Dumb & Dumber logic.

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1 hour ago, Gianna Dorenberg said:

Yeah that moment. I just assumed he is a bit shocked to see a dragon fully armored and knowing they're screwed. Gendry probably hooked her up.

I really doubt it's anything else. I'm just going by Dumb & Dumber logic.

It's probably just Dany/Drogon attacking in a way so the sun is in Euron and his troops eyes. D&D  still haven't even given Drogon a darn saddle yet. Then again having a dragon fully armored up all of sudden, does sound like something D&D would do.

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On 5/6/2019 at 11:32 PM, LadyBlackwater said:

episode to heighten the surprise. Its hard to believe that decision was really random

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    Hear me out.

    In an interview with Time Magazine last year, G.R.R.M. explicitly made sure to bring up Beric Dondarrion.

    "he’s not a living human being anymore. His heart isn’t beating, his blood isn’t flowing in his veins, he’s a wight, but a wight animated by fire instead of by ice, now we’re getting back to the whole fire and ice thing"

    So Beric is a "fire wight". And thats obviously foreshadowing something. The big question is, if the Night King animates the ice wights, who then animates the fire wights?

    Here are the Facts:

    Bran is a powerful warg. We know he gets visions of the past, present and future…and can manipulate the past to help save his future self. We don't yet know the extent of this power.

    We knew the Night King can reanimate the dead into evil still-dead soldiers. But this episode we learned he can also manipulate snow and ice at will, sending a full blown blizzard. (This is key.)

    Followers of the Lord of Light believe that their Lord is always at war with his evil opposite diety. Theres always a dichotomy. Light vs Dark. Good vs Bad. Fire vs Ice. Everything in this world has an antithesis.

    The 3 eyed raven seems to be NK's eternal adversary. He intentionally killed the OG 3 eyed raven, and ever since he's been after Bran.

    The lord of light supposedly has a "purpose" for everyone. Consequently, everyone supposedly brought back by the lord of light helped Arya defeat the Night King.

    Bran gave Arya the dagger, and offered himself as bait. So like the Lord of Light, everything Bran has done recently also ultimately leads to Arya defeating the Night King.

     

    We know Bran is the most powerful living being other than the Night King. We know both he and the Lord of Light are working towards the same goal, and both manipulate the storyline.

    It makes sense that Bran is the Lord of light, and all past 3 Eyed Ravens were also the Lord of Light. Or at the very least they’re representatives of him .

    Where was Bran during the battle? Making shit happen. This would make the Night King's death wayyy less anticlimactic than it was.

    Some interesting questions then come up if this all plays out. When the Whites die, their wights they turned die.

    If Bran dies, does Jon automatically die too?

    Now that the Night King is dead, whos the Lord of Light's new opposite to balance out the dichotomy? (Cersei? Danny? perhaps)


    Further Evidence

    Bran's powers are strongest by the Weirwood trees. Aka the "Heart Trees" The trees were worshiped by the First Men (and Children of the forest?) as gods. They're known as "Heart Trees". The lord of light is also known as the "Heart of Fire", with a symbolic heart.

    The Children of the Forest brought back Benjen as a fire-wielding fire wight. They're obviously the key to the power of both the NK and the Lord of Light. They could have created the 3 eyed raven/LoL the same as they created the NK as a counter balance

    Bran (or the OG 3 eyed raven) are likely who drove Aerys II Targaryen mad, whispering for him to "Burn them all". He's been fighting the future battle from the past for a long time.

    In the episode followup commentary, they implied they randomly picked Arya to kill the NK, and wove the episode to heighten the surprise. Its hard to believe that decision was really random

    All of the war and death that was sparked because of Bran. He knew it would happen, but he saw how the alternative story lines would play out, where the Night King wins. He sacrificed whoever he had to for the good of the realm. Much like lord Varys (who he spoke to through the flames after he was cut)

    All of the "magical Lord of Light moments" that are supposedly the God's work, are actually Bran manipulating the past, resurrecting people and making sure Arya got the knife and made it to kill NK.

    Beric getting brought back to life so many times….it wasn't the shitty priest saying a prayer. Both he and Melesandre said he shouldn't have that power. In fact, it was Bran bringing him back to life so he could help Arya during the battle.

    The hound surviving. Septon Ray told him he thought he was a corpse. He also told him that he pretty much died multiple times while he was recovering, but he kept coming back to life. After he comes back to life, he's fighting for good. Again, hound ended up a key figure in getting Arya to the NK.

    Jon coming back. No evidence again to suggest Melesandre's prayer did it. She completely gave up, and he didn't come back to life until a while after.

    The trench lighting on fire…again, it didn't seem to be Melesandre's words that did it. You could see she was getting frustrated/confused when it wasn't working at first. It was actually Bran summoning fire.

    Lord Varys hearing the voice in the flames after he was cut....which is said to be what lead to him ending up in King's Landing and rising to power. After that scene with the priestess in the Pyramid, it cut to Bran’s face.

    The simplest explanation to all of this ...The 3 Eyed Raven is the Night King's opposite. The NK's opposite is the Lord of Light. Therefore, Bran= the Lord of Light (or at least what people think is the Lord of Light due to the signs he brings)

    So how does this play out?


    The Dagger Arch

    First consider the dagger.

    The entire storyline from Season 1 on revolves around the dagger. And the entire dagger story is intrinsically linked to Bran.

    We also know the dagger is ancient, as it appears in Sam's book. Its been passed down from generation to generation, as all existing Valerian steel has been. https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/gameofthrones/images/9/97/Valyrian_steel_dagger_game_of_thrones_catspaw_blade_sam.png/revision/latest?cb=20170723084654

    We don't actually know for sure who owned the dagger, or where the assassin got it. Littlefinger claims it was his but later denies it. Even if it was Littlefinger's, its never explained where he got it. This is important.


    The Theory

    It all but obvious at this point, Bran has been manipulating the plotline the entire time. He knew exactly how the battle was going to end. He knew exactly how to kill the Night King, because he set the trap himself. While warging during the battle, he was likely manipulating events to lead to the final conclusion.

    Everything he has done has revolved around getting the dagger to Arya and getting her safely to the NK. That plan was set in motion all the way back in Season 1.

    Future Bran made sure that dagger was sent to kill his childhood self. He put the key piece in play. He then warged into Summer to kill the assassin.

    Farther back than that, the dagger may have belonged to Aerys Targarian (passed down through their family), and Bran messed with him to make sure it got where it needed to go. (Maybe Jaime or Littlefinger picked it up after the Mad King was slain).

    Arya's training was also crucial/pre-planned. She would have never trained to kill without....1) Bran's assassination attempt being pinned on Tyrion (because of the dagger). And 2) King Robert's Death.

    We already know how he could have manipulated the assassination. He could have also been warged into the wild boar that killed King Robert, if it were for the good of the realm.

    Melesandre told Arya last episode what Syrio Forel told her before he was killed, "What do we say to the god of death? Not today". Homage to the fact that her training was all destined from the beginning.

    What we can take from this…

    If the Night King is Lord of Death, Night, and Ice…he should have an equal opposite. That opposite would of course be the Lord of Life, Light, and Fire (ie. The Lord of Light) .

    The Night King is a physical entity, his opposite should be too. The Lord of Light likely has a physical presence (or a physical champion at the very least). So who is it? they don't ever explicitly show any other being with NK's level of power (or do they?)

    If the Night King can reanimate the dead, his "light" opposite should have an equal level of power to bring life. And if NK's reanimated dead fight for evil, then his opposite's reanimated dead would fight for good/the living.

    George R.R. Martin confirmed this logic, with his mentioning the existence of the "Fire Wight". Beric, Jon, (and maybe the Hound) are one of them. So the above theory that the Lord of Light is the NK's opposite holds water

    If the NK can manifest snow and ice at will. Then his opposite should be able to manifest fire at will. And maybe...communicate with others through it.

    Bran and the Lord of Light are working towards the same goal.

    The 3 Eyed Raven is the NK's ultimate adversary….the force hes always at battle with.

     

Seems plausible, Bran's been near fireplaces lately if not near heart trees :P And we haven't seen the 3rd shock yet(did we?). But I'm still skeptical, the show's most certainly done with Bran.

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On 5/6/2019 at 2:50 PM, ceerup said:

It might sound cheesy but what if Rhaegal isnt dead and Bran wargs into him, no spoilers please but the next episode picture shows Euron with a shocked look on his face.

Can it be that Rhaegal isnt dead? Maybe thats how Bran flies even though he flies in crows. 

 

Also he says he mostly lives in the past. all that burn them all stuff with the Mad King. maybe Bran burns them all?

If Euron looks shocked and is looking up, it is most likely Dany and Drogon dive-bombing his fleet, coming straight down out of the sun.

If Euron is looking seaward, it is likey Yara and her ships (plus others picked up along the way_ closing for an attack.)

If Euron is looking landward, it is likely something to do with KL.  Maybe Drogon flaming it.  Or something like the Dornish arriving.

Edited by Tywin Tytosson

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On 5/7/2019 at 6:26 PM, KingMudd said:

There's only 2 episodes left, Bran's done. As soon as Arya killed the NK Bran was done. He'll maybe have a few lines here and there but I seriously doubt he'll contribute anything else now.

Bran is the key to everything in Episode 6 and the show's ending. Mark my words. I'm entirely serious.

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10 minutes ago, CrypticWeirwood said:

Bran is the key to everything in Episode 6 and the show's ending. Mark my words. I'm entirely serious.

I think so too. He’s been utterly useless so far. His biggest contribution was the R+L = J revelation, and Sam already knew that anyway. 

There must be something more for Bran to contribute. 

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2 hours ago, Tywin Tytosson said:

Perhaps the 3ER was created to help fight the NK.  If so, then the 3ER's purpose has been resolved and Bran might just be the last 3ER. 

The greenseers antedate the coming of the First Men to Westeros, for they originated not in men but in those who sing the song of the earth. 

Although it is possible that the Children eventually spread the weirwoods’ gifts — skinchanging, greensight, and being a greenseer — to the First Men as a deliberate strategy to aid them in their battles against the Giants or the Others, that wouldn't mean that all those with such gifts would suddenly perish from the earth once the Others were no more.

 

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