Petitephlox Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 Hi! Remember the prophecy in the House of the Undying, with the three betrayals Dany will know? One for blood, one for gold, and one for love? Which do you believe we’ve seen thus far, and which is still coming? One for blood seems like Mirri Maz Duur’s trickery, one for gold - early Jorah? Hizdahr zo Loraq? And one for love: Jon??? I know a lot of folks are theorizing Jon will kill Dany - is that because he’s trying to stop her from destroying KL/innocent people? If so, how does that fit the above prophecy? He’s not betraying her out of love in that case. And how would that fit into the Azor Ahai prophecy, too? Her spirit melds with the sword and so he’s able to bring about the end of Cersei’s rule? It doesn’t seem to quite fit for me. What do you all think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Pirtle Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 Did that even happen in the show? I don't remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Targaryen Peas Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 12 hours ago, Petitephlox said: Hi! Remember the prophecy in the House of the Undying, with the three betrayals Dany will know? One for blood, one for gold, and one for love? Which do you believe we’ve seen thus far, and which is still coming? One for blood seems like Mirri Maz Duur’s trickery, one for gold - early Jorah? Hizdahr zo Loraq? And one for love: Jon??? I know a lot of folks are theorizing Jon will kill Dany - is that because he’s trying to stop her from destroying KL/innocent people? If so, how does that fit the above prophecy? He’s not betraying her out of love in that case. And how would that fit into the Azor Ahai prophecy, too? Her spirit melds with the sword and so he’s able to bring about the end of Cersei’s rule? It doesn’t seem to quite fit for me. What do you all think? Isn't it more a betrayal "in" love. Like, not "for" love? The person comitting the betrayal is someone in he circle of the loved, or something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erkan12 Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 Stannis was the prince that was promised, no one cares prophecies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darmody Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 If Jon kills Danny it will be to protect the innocent or something like that. But that would be an awfully big twist. One that probably no one would like. Fairly certain Danny will go a bit Viserys on us, if not Aerys. That would put Goodie Two-Shoes of the North in a bind. But a Jaime Lannister Backstab sort of bind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petitephlox Posted May 8, 2019 Author Share Posted May 8, 2019 2 hours ago, Targaryen Peas said: Isn't it more a betrayal "in" love. Like, not "for" love? The person comitting the betrayal is someone in he circle of the loved, or something like that. I believe the quote is “for love,” - but it certainly can be interpreted as someone she loves, someone who betrays her for love of ....someone/something else? Someone who betrays her for their love of her...or she betrays herself for love of someone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinscS2 Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 3 hours ago, Anthony Pirtle said: Did that even happen in the show? I don't remember. No, that prophecy has never been mentioned in the show. Not that it matters, because ultimately neither of the prophecies that have been mentioned in the show has come to any sort of conclusion... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kajjo Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 52 minutes ago, MinscS2 said: No, that prophecy has never been mentioned in the show. Indeed. Which does not mean that the three betrayals might not occur anyway. 52 minutes ago, MinscS2 said: Not that it matters, because ultimately neither of the prophecies that have been mentioned in the show has come to any sort of conclusion... Well, Cersei's became true so far, probably due to her own efforts. I expect this prophecy to continue to come true. Daenerys' visions in the House of the Undying might come to some conclusion, too. But yes, I am disappointed about dropping the Lightbringer and Prince that was Promised issues so lamely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Satan Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 One for love? "The things we do for love" comes to mind... Jaime betrays Dany for his one and only love, Cersei? He did, after all, fight for Dany so it would be a betrayal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Spanish_Inquisition Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 Mirri Maaz Duur for blood, Xharo was gold, and I FIRMLY believed Jorah was going to be the one to kill her at the end, out of love for her and love for Westeros. Presumably after she went too far in something and he no longer had a choice. Obviously that theory was crap lol. I guess if it’s even still relevant, it’s Jon now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheQueenofTheFlowers Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 Tyrion may betray her for blood, as in his blood relation Cersei. I still believe those two are working together. Or he may betray her for the love of Sansa. Sansa may betray her for Jon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hippocras Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 For love doesn’t need to mean love for her or anyone she loves. She might be betrayed by someone because of their love for someone else, like for example Tyrion betrays her to save Jaime, or Jon betrays her to save Arya, or Grey Worm betrays her for Missandei etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petitephlox Posted May 8, 2019 Author Share Posted May 8, 2019 True - I was thinking it may be love for Westeros or love for family (for Jon, since we have been getting a ton of this family/the pack foreshadowing). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hippocras Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 Yep Jon’s love for his family is a good bet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Lepus Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 22 hours ago, Petitephlox said: Hi! Remember the prophecy in the House of the Undying, with the three betrayals Dany will know? One for blood, one for gold, and one for love? Which do you believe we’ve seen thus far, and which is still coming? One for blood seems like Mirri Maz Duur’s trickery, one for gold - early Jorah? Hizdahr zo Loraq? And one for love: Jon??? I know a lot of folks are theorizing Jon will kill Dany - is that because he’s trying to stop her from destroying KL/innocent people? If so, how does that fit the above prophecy? He’s not betraying her out of love in that case. And how would that fit into the Azor Ahai prophecy, too? Her spirit melds with the sword and so he’s able to bring about the end of Cersei’s rule? It doesn’t seem to quite fit for me. What do you all think? Forget about Azor Ahai. The Night King is no more, so the Darkness vs Light plot line has ended... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilissa Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 We always thought that Azor Ahai would kill Nissa Nissa to defeat the Others. But according show it seems Azor Ahai mission is to kill Nissa Nissa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Spanish_Inquisition Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Petitephlox said: True - I was thinking it may be love for Westeros or love for family (for Jon, since we have been getting a ton of this family/the pack foreshadowing). That’s what I always thought as well and why I thought Jorah would be the one to do her in Dany has not done a good job of keeping the prophecies in the front of her mind, and parsing them intelligently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Targaryen Peas Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 7 hours ago, Hippocras said: Yep Jon’s love for his family is a good bet. I can't see Jon betraying her for his family IF he knows Sansa is a snitch. I mean, he would have to chose between her whom he loves, and that always kept her word for him (if I remember correctly). And Sansa that even if she is family too, betrayed him, knowing all the implication. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hippocras Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 3 hours ago, Targaryen Peas said: I can't see Jon betraying her for his family IF he knows Sansa is a snitch. I mean, he would have to chose between her whom he loves, and that always kept her word for him (if I remember correctly). And Sansa that even if she is family too, betrayed him, knowing all the implication. She didn’t betray him any more than he « betrayed » Dany by telling her. But I don’t consider either a betrayal. Sansa is not acting against Jon’s interests in telling Tyrion. She knows that Tyrion is not going to consider the info a reason to kill Jon or act against him. But she also knows that Tyrion is in a better position to be the judge of if Dany can be trusted as queen of the 7 kingdoms including the North, or if Jon would be the better King. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Targaryen Peas Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 19 minutes ago, Hippocras said: She didn’t betray him any more than he « betrayed » Dany by telling her. Dany didn't make him swear. And even when he showed her that he would probably not lie to his family. She answered by something like "there's only one way for us to be together" Implying that he could still do it. Jon though, made Sansa swear. And he didn't reveal anything until they both swore. So today swearing means nothing, but in that setting, and for Jon before anyone else. Yes, it is a betrayal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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