Hound's She-wolf Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 I gave it 2/10. One point for lots and lots of dragonfire and 1 point for Arya saying the name Sandor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonelands Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 10 hours ago, Elayis said: I have no problem with Mad Queen Dany, but the show has not put in the time and effort to earn that ending. What was her reasoning behind burning all of King's Landing? I don't know, because the episode never explained it. One of the pivotal moments in the entire series and D&D fell flat on their faces. I think the scene between Dany and Jon gave a fairly obvious explanation with the "It's fear then" line. Dany doesn't believe she can ever be loved or that Jon will always be loved more and that provides her with plenty of motivation to trump that with fear. On another note, people are complaining about Drogon suddenly being able to avoid the Scorpion Ballistas even when there were many more of them but that isn't taking into account the fact that when he was hit by Bronn it was a result of Dany flying straight at him and when Rhaegal was hit it was a result of ambush. None of the dragons have ever been hit by them when they actively trying to avoid it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
north of the wall Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 Is there a way to change your rating? I rated it a 6, but after time to think about it I would probably rate it an 8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legba11 Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 FBC is always my weekly highlight of the forum Lyanna<3Rhaegar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnViserion Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 4 hours ago, Stonelands said: I think the scene between Dany and Jon gave a fairly obvious explanation with the "It's fear then" line. Dany doesn't believe she can ever be loved or that Jon will always be loved more and that provides her with plenty of motivation to trump that with fear. That’s constitutes “putting in the time and effort to earn that ending” to you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Quork Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 @Frances Bean Corbray and Preston Jacobs's reviews are so much more enjoyable than the actual episodes. Thanks guys! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonelands Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 5 hours ago, UnViserion said: That’s constitutes “putting in the time and effort to earn that ending” to you? On top of all the other foreshadowing that there has been in both this season and previous seasons that you apparently haven't picked up on, I think it's passable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spasa Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 If you remember on season 2 when Daenerys was in the house of the Undying there was a vision of the throne and i thought it was snow falling through the ceiling, but now i realized that were ashes. So my concern is if they knew it all along back to season 2, GRRM was definetely aware of this and probaly he told them this kind of finale... and this is a scary thought Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kajjo Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 43 minutes ago, Spasa said: So my concern is if they knew it all along back to season 2, GRRM was definetely aware of this and probaly he told them this kind of finale... and this is a scary thought Of course, this third holy-shit moment was written by GRRM. The fate of Daenerys is pivotal to the whole story. This is not DD messing things up, but the fundamental outline of the story. Daenerys has been clearly depicted to be ruthless, greedy for power, violent and callous from the beginning on. Some people paid no attention, other were blinded by the charisma of Emilia Clarke, but the character Daenerys was clearly going that way all the time. hokie3457 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spasa Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, Kajjo said: Of course, this third holy-shit moment was written by GRRM. The fate of Daenerys is pivotal to the whole story. This is not DD messing things up, but the fundamental outline of the story. Daenerys has been clearly depicted to be ruthless, greedy for power, violent and callous from the beginning on. Some people paid no attention, other were blinded by the charisma of Emilia Clarke, but the character Daenerys was clearly going that way all the time. my concerns were not really about her, i was hoping that the winter could have got to KL and more storyline given to the WW... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
House Cambodia Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 29 minutes ago, Kajjo said: Of course, this third holy-shit moment was written by GRRM. The fate of Daenerys is pivotal to the whole story. This is not DD messing things up, but the fundamental outline of the story. Daenerys has been clearly depicted to be ruthless, greedy for power, violent and callous from the beginning on. Some people paid no attention, other were blinded by the charisma of Emilia Clarke, but the character Daenerys was clearly going that way all the time. Completely agree. I've just read the best article on the episode which makes this point and more. The only point at which I'd depart is being much stronger criticising D&D, but the story itself has GRRM behind it and is entirely consistent. Game of Thrones’ King’s Landing horror fittingly reveals what the show has always been about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kajjo Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 2 hours ago, House Cambodia said: pletely agree. I've just read the best article on the episode which makes this point and more. The only point at which I'd depart is being much stronger criticising D&D, but the story itself has GRRM behind it and is entirely consistent. Game of Thrones’ King’s Landing horror fittingly reveals what the show has always been about Very good linked article, summing up my points quite well... ;-) Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanadis Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 Is Daenerys going dark interesting? Yes! Is a raging Daenerys flying over King's Landing on her magnificent dragon burning everything to the ground while women, children and men run screaming in the streets an epic, powerful image that evokes a range of emotions in the viewers? Yes! Does it say something about how power corrupts? Yes! Was it earned? No! ... !!!!! It was a cool scene, an interesting turn, but since we've followed Dany through several seasons, it made no sense. "She is a Targaryen" just isn't enough of an explanation. By that logic, Jon is just as dangerous as her, and Varys shouldn't have supported her from the beginning. I don't mind where the story went, I just mind that it didn't take us there on a step by step journey until we could look back at her snapping and realize that it was inevitable. Instead it gave us a few instances where Dany was unstable and ruthless, and used that as an excuse to teleport to a conclusion for the story that just isn't earned. It's bad writing. The characters deserve better. The fans deserve better. The show deserves better. George deserves better. These writers don't understand human psychology. They don't understand storytelling. They don't understand what made GOT great in the first place. But it's not their fault. Someone should have recognized this a long time ago and replaced those writers with someone competent. I blame HBO. I hope they have the decency to apologize. House Cambodia 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Quork Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 4 minutes ago, Vanadis said: Is Daenerys going dark interesting? Yes! Is a raging Daenerys flying over King's Landing on her magnificent dragon burning everything to the ground while women, children and men run screaming in the streets an epic, powerful image that evokes a range of emotions in the viewers? Yes! Does it say something about how power corrupts? Yes! Was it earned? No! ... !!!!! It was a cool scene, an interesting turn, but since we've followed Dany through several seasons, it made no sense. "She is a Targaryen" just isn't enough of an explanation. By that logic, Jon is just as dangerous as her, and Varys shouldn't have supported her from the beginning.I don't mind where the story went, I just mind that it didn't take us there on a step by step journey until we could look back at her snapping and realize that it was inevitable. Instead it gave us a few instances where Dany was unstable and ruthless, and used that as an excuse to teleport to a conclusion for the story that just isn't earned. It's bad writing. The characters deserve better. The fans deserve better. The show deserves better. George deserves better. These writers don't understand human psychology. They don't understand storytelling. They don't understand what made GOT great in the first place. But it's not their fault. Someone should have recognized this a long time ago and replaced those writers with someone competent. I blame HBO. I hope they have the decency to apologize. Completely on board with this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GilletteMace Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 this episode was rubbish and its tiring to read apologists defending this trash. please go back watch some season 1-5 episodes, switch to season 8 and wake up. one more episode and its buried dead, finally. what a shame to say this. 1/10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
House Cambodia Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Vanadis said: But it's not their fault. Someone should have recognized this a long time ago and replaced those writers with someone competent. I blame HBO. I hope they have the decency to apologize. I don't think you can blame HBO when you know the history. GRRM had spurned many offers to adapt his novels until D&D made their pitch TO HIM. They convinced GRRM had they had a good understanding of the books (although you could argue that they just got lucky in guessing who Jon's father was). They did do an excellent job of adapting the books - as GRRM says, they did better than 97% of books-to-TV/movie adaptations. The problem is that they turned out to lack the necessary talent to continue in-depth character development and logical plot progression without GRRM's source material to go on. Firstly, GRRM fully expected to have finished the last 2 books and never put them in that position, and secondly, how could HBO execs know this would happen 5+ years down the line? Would sacking D&D at that point and bringing in a fresh team of screenwriters have prevented this? Maybe yes but probably no; it would have been a huge and unpopular gamble given that D&D had built up huge public confidence. No, can't blame anyone. Edited May 15, 2019 by House Cambodia Vanadis 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerys III of his name Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 Best episode in all series Burn them all!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wsc48 Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 43 minutes ago, GilletteMace said: one more episode and its buried dead, finally. what a shame to say this. 1/10 Currently 111 rating it at 1/10 Speaks much to the current state of the show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cas Stark Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, Wsc48 said: Currently 111 rating it at 1/10 Speaks much to the current state of the show. I'll be honest, I think that giving it such a low rating speaks much more to the fact that people are angry at the turn of Dany's character, rather than this particular episode which was beautifully shot and directed, somehow vastly worse than any of the previous 70 eps. hokie3457 and Frances Bean Corbray 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightwish Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Wsc48 said: Currently 111 rating it at 1/10 Speaks much to the current state of the show. For me it proves that the effects, the smoke, the large production, costumes and everything else, can't just buy common sense and logic that people always search in a story. Despite their effort to make this as impressive as possible if the script falls apart, everything falls apart with it. Edited May 15, 2019 by Nightwish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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