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Daenerys has always been a killer

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On 5/15/2019 at 10:30 PM, Quillon said:

Tywin is cruel yes, he has his mad dogs for his dirtiest works. I can't compare Tywin to Dany cos Tywin never burned people around him and just stared with pride. Maybe he's just as merciless as Dany. Hours ago I read a Tyrion chapter where it is said, something like "Tywin was never the same man after Joanna died, she took his best parts with her." But mercilessness =/= craziness, which you act like I claimed it is so.

Daenerys might have committed the mass-murder out of emotions and because she want to try "rule by fear". Tywin on the other side commands war crimes out of cold blooded rational logic (when they give him an advantage, he has no problem with it). You can see that when he sacked Kingslanding. He send the Mountain to capture the children of Rhaegar Targaryen and his wife. The Mountain raped and murdered them brutally. That was not what Tywin had intended, but it fit into his plan and he didn't punish the Mountain for committing these crimes, because in his mind a brute can be useful in some situations. That shows thats Tywin didn't have any problem committing awful crimes, when they are helpful.

In my opinion thats not really better than a crazy person, who kills persons without any reason.

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Dany is a brave and charismatic leader who combines a high degree of personal courage and devotion to her followers with a strong streak of self-righteous cruelty.

This episode doesn't change that.

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Hi Haskelltier,



I'm sorry I've been away for a while.  I just got around to watching E5 this morning! :-O

So many now are thinking that Dany really is a tyrant, yet I think somewhat differently.  I think she was heartbroken by Jon because they were so in love.  He rejects her because she is his aunt, but she does not only want his loyalty as his Queen. 

It angers her; so she takes it our on Cersei, and all who she could think of as an enemy.  Sorry for the crossover, but who here has seen the show "Snapped"? That is about the same thing:  people who were/are in love but one crosses the other and the spurned destroys property, or even lives of the ones he/she loves.  Of course this is wrong.

My main point is that Dany is beside herself. ..

Edited by LadyNoOne

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On 5/13/2019 at 3:59 AM, Winter prince said:

She no longer trusted her advisor that was left.  She has been suspicious of Tyrion ever since making it to Westeros.  Why would she actually believe the bells meant surrender?

 

EXACTLY this is what I been saying ........

Why trust Tyrion?

Also IMO the random stocks of wildfire going off were traps in which Danny saved some of her troops from a green fiery death. Cersie is the type to surrender but not really lol. 

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11 minutes ago, Stormking902 said:

EXACTLY this is what I been saying ........

Why trust Tyrion?

Also IMO the random stocks of wildfire going off were traps in which Danny saved some of her troops from a green fiery death. Cersie is the type to surrender but not really lol. 

Even if she didn't believe tyrion, there was no reason to burn the city. Her troops could've taken control of the city with far fewer civilian casualties.

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On 5/13/2019 at 5:03 PM, Raksha 2014 said:

 

We probably should have guessed, when she watched her brother's horrible death with no discernible emotion, and said 'he was no true dragon; fire cannot kill a dragon' or whatever.  (not that I thought Viserys didn't deserve to die, but he was her brother and you'd think she'd have regretted, afterwards, his being such a fool as to push Drogo into killing him)

Daenerys used to care about all the smallfolk; but not anymore; she just roasted thousands of them and also caused them to die from the collapse of the buildings her dragonfire destroyed.

Not flinching in the face of death is pretty much something every character has done- Jon killed half hand, executed that boy and chose loyalty over love. Ned beheads a deserter and 9 year old Bran is congratulated for not flinching at the sight. The examples are so numerous that it seems crazy to say that her being a little dissociative at her brother's death moments after he had threatened to cut her unborn child from her belly is a sure sign of madness, when not flinching is pretty much the price for being a leader in this world.

As for caring for the smallfolk - that really was the quality that set her apart from everyone else, it was her mercy towards the Lamb Men that culminated in the horrible losses of husband and child in s1, and yet from then on, over the course of 7 seasons - including right up until 2 episodes earlier - she had been close to revolutionary in her concern for the small folk and real actions and sacrifices taken on their behalf. Even her cruelties were inflicted in their name. And then Poof! just like that she suddenly becomes a genocidal monster. There simply is no explanation, narratively, logically or any way at all that can explain her burning the whole City. Even if she wanted vengeance against Cersei she could have just burned the Red Keep - or captured her and Burnt her. People don't just suddenly go mad in this world or that of GOT. Even if you want to blame genetics it was clearly established that her father and brother did not suddenly snap  but had gone pretty crazy long before the final act that did them in.

At the beginning of this episode Dany is actually startlingly clear about what is going on around her, and there are no signs of being disconnected from reality at all. 

There is no sense to be made of the whole genocidal mad queen twist because it makes no sense as written. 

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