Wow, I never noticed that. Vol. 18

[Corvo the Crow]

Ghost found a horn on the Fist of the First Men, a ringfort on a hill. Jon gave it to Samwell of Horn Hill. Samwell, with the horn still in his possession, returned to Reach, to Oldtown, and intentds to take Gilly and Aemon battleborn to Horn Hill.

Anyone make anything of it?

[Corvo the Crow]

Hands and swords.

Jon got his right/sword hand burnt defending Papa Bear.

Perhaps ironically, he is rewarded with a sword for it. The sword Jon got for getting his sword hand burnt is a bastard sword, also called a hand and a half sword.

Jon is later given under Qhorin half hand’s command who is so named because he has lost half of his right/sword hand and now uses the left hand. Perhaps his methods can be called left-handed as well?

I am the sward in the dorkness perhaps? (Sorry couldn’t resist)

[Adam Targaryen]

The Selaesori Qhoran is carrying dragon peppers and a corpse in brine.

 

Didn't the Cinnamon Wid also carry dragon peppers? And they lay Maester Aemon in a barrel of rum to keep him from rotting when he died, so maybe his is the corpse?

 

So could they both be the same ship or could the Selaesori Qhoran be carrying cargo from the Cinnamon Wind?

 

Sorry but I haven't read the chapter where Sam arrives in Oldtown nor the ones aboard the Selaesori Qhoran yet. I am currently reading Tyrion's chapter when he and Jorah get on the ship first

[Rhaenys_Targaryen]

On 7/26/2019 at 5:59 PM, Megorova said:

(there are mistakes there, like the year of birth of Robert Arryn, it's writen there, that he was born in 292, but his year of birth is 291).

What makes you think he was born in 291 AC?

Robert was 6 in 298 AC, placing his birth in either 292 AC (if he turned 6 in 298 AC) or 291 AC (if he would be turning 7 later than year).

Robert was 8 in 300 AC, placing his birth in either 292 AC (if he turned 8 in 300 AC) or 291 AC (if he would be turning 9 later than year).

And, he was less than a year old in 293 AC (when Catelyn had seen him last, five years prior to 298 AC). Being less than a year old in 293 AC would mean that he had either been born that year (293 AC), or would have turned 1 later that year, which would place his birth in 292 AC..

As 292 AC is the only overlapping year in all the possibilities, the conclusion is that that is the year of his birth.

If there is anything I missed, I'd love to hear it!

And if you think you've spotted mistakes in the calculations, please notify the editors in this thread, so they can be fixed.

On 7/26/2019 at 5:59 PM, Megorova said:

Danwell Frey is married with Wynafrei Whent. In my opinion, she is that daughter of Shella and Walter Whent, the original Queen of Love and Beauty at Harrenhal. Possibly, when Danwell was winning on first day of jousting, Wynafrei gave him her favour, and later they got married. Maybe, not exactly out of love, more because of Walder's political ambitions. Several years before 281, Walder was married with Sarya Whent. She died childless. So, it's likely, that Walder was aiming to replace a dead Whent in his family tree, with a new one, thus he made his son, Danwell, to court Wynafrei Whent, that was daughter of Lord and Lady of Harrenhal.

There's one inconsistency - Meera said, that all three squires that attacked her father, were not older than 15 years old. Though, maybe, it was said just to make that story to sound more dramatic. Because there's no way, that those three had showed to Howland their IDs, when they were beating him. So he could have been wrong about their ages, or it was said to add more dramatism into his story. That supposedly they all were younger than him, and disrespected him, even though he was a man grown, 16yo. Or the ages of Freys in the Wikia are incorrect

The ages of the Freys on the wiki have been calculated (like all other calculations) with a lot of precision, and with the idea in mind that no character would have been younger than 12 at the birth of their first child. For a lot of Freys, that leaves a range of possible years, sometimes spanning more than three decades.

And of course, as with all else, a mistake can happen every now and then. As stated above, when you think you've spotted one, please point in out in the linked thread.

Regarding  Danwell, his last possible year of birth (261 AC) depends on his younger brother Merrett, who was born in 262 AC. Merrett and Danwell would have been at least one year apart in age, and thus Danwell was born no later than 261 AC.

I'm not sure why you think that the range of years of birth given for Danwell make your theory impossible though? The squires had been less than 15 years old. If Danwell had taken part of the joust, he would not have been one of the squires. (A family member could have squired for him, though).

[Rhaenys_Targaryen]

21 hours ago, Adam Targaryen said:

The Selaesori Qhoran is carrying dragon peppers and a corpse in brine.

 

Didn't the Cinnamon Wid also carry dragon peppers? And they lay Maester Aemon in a barrel of rum to keep him from rotting when he died, so maybe his is the corpse?

 

So could they both be the same ship or could the Selaesori Qhoran be carrying cargo from the Cinnamon Wind?

 

Sorry but I haven't read the chapter where Sam arrives in Oldtown nor the ones aboard the Selaesori Qhoran yet. I am currently reading Tyrion's chapter when he and Jorah get on the ship first

They are two different ships (one is a swan ship, the other a trading cog, with two completely different crews). Nor is the Selaesory Qhoran carrying cargo from the Cinnamon Wind. There are more ships at the sea that carry dragon peppers  Nor would Aemon's corpse have remained on board of the Cinnamon Wind after it arrived at Oldtown. 

 

[Megorova]

22 hours ago, Rhaenys_Targaryen said:

What makes you think he was born in 291 AC?

Robert was 6 in 298 AC, placing his birth in either 292 AC (if he turned 6 in 298 AC) or 291 AC (if he would be turning 7 later than year).

Robert was 8 in 300 AC, placing his birth in either 292 AC (if he turned 8 in 300 AC) or 291 AC (if he would be turning 9 later than year).

Joffrey's birthday is very early in a year, like in January or February. No?

Jon Arryn died 14 days after Joff's birthday. And then Robert and Co came to Winterfell, and in conversation with Ned it was said that Robert Arryn is 6 years old <- it was happening in first half of 298 (my guess - in March or April, though which month was it exactly is irrelevant, eitherway it was in first half of 298).

Then, several months later, when Cat came to the Eyrie, little Robert is still 6. Cat's visit happened in second half of 298 (this is based on duration of Bran's coma, and for how long Ned and the girls were traveling to KL, + whatever amount of time it took Cat to get from Crossroads Inn to the Eyrie. Add to this info when Ned and King found out about Dany's pregnancy. She realised, that she was pregnant on the day of her 14th birthday. I think that Dany was born not earlier than in second half of May (I have basis for thinking so). At that time they were on their way to Vaes Dothrak, so it took some time for Jorah's accomplice to sent a message to Varys, informing him about Dany's pregnancy. So they got that message not earlier than in June of 298).

So, unless Robert's birthday is also very early in a year, like Joffrey's, him, being 6 at the time of Ned's and Robert's conversation at Winterfell, and him, still being 6 at the time of Cat's visit, means, that his birthday is late in a year, and he turned 7 sometime after Cat's visit.

We can cross out the possibility, that Robert's birthday is very early in a year, based on Sansa's chapters, that took place in The Vale, after Purple Wedding, when Robert is 8 in early 300.

Him being 6 in early 298, and still 6 later in 298, and his 7th birthday happening "off screen", and him being 8 in 300, means that he was born in late 291 (his 7th birthdays happened in late 298, already after Cat's visit).

The Purple Wedding happened on first day of 300. It took Sansa and Littlefinger 7-14 days to get to the Fingers. 8 days later Lysa arrived there, probably from the Eyrie. It takes 14 days to get from King's Landing to Crossroads Inn, and the distance between the Eyrie and the Fingers is shorter than between KL and CRI. So, probably, after LF arrived to the Fingers, he had sent a raven to the Eyrie, and it took Lysa 8 days to get to him. 8 days back to the Eyrie. 14 + 8 + 8 = 30 days. + how many days Sansa had spent at the Eyrie, between her arrival there and Lysa's death. My guess - no more than a month or so. In ASOS, Sansa VII, she listed all of Vale's Lords with whom LF had met, or something like that. There was 7 of them - Corbrays, Royce, Waynwood, Redfort, Belmore, Templeton, Hunter. About his latest visit, to Corbrays, she noted that LF was gone for 4 days. If he was spending that long on each of his visits, then she wouldn't have noted it. But she did. Which possibly means, that his other visits were usually shorter than this. Still let's assume, that it took him 4 days to visit each of those 7 lords, and that he personally visited all of them. 28 days in total, maximum.

Based on that, from above, Lysa died either in February or in the very early March. And on the day of her death, in the morning Sansa thought about Robert - "Aside from her aged maid, Sansa's only companion was the Lord Robert, eight going on three." <- at that time he was 8 years and 3 months old. And because it was no later than in the very early March of 300, but, most likely, in February, Robert's 8th birthday happened back in 299, sometime between the end of October/beginning of November (if LF didn't visited all of those Lords in The Vale, and Lysa died in first half of February) and the beginning of December (if LF had spent entire February on visiting all those Lords, and Lysa died in early March, and this is when (in early March of 300) Robert is "eight going on three", if he is 8,3 in the beginning of March 300, then his 8th birthday happened in the beginning of December 299).

22 hours ago, Rhaenys_Targaryen said:

And, he was less than a year old in 293 AC (when Catelyn had seen him last, five years prior to 298 AC). Being less than a year old in 293 AC would mean that he had either been born that year (293 AC), or would have turned 1 later that year, which would place his birth in 292 AC..

The thing is, it wasn't specifically said, what year was it, when Cat had seen Robert last time. It's just an assumption, that because at the time of her current visit, in 298, 5 years had passed, since her last visit, that that last visit happened in 293. Though the thing is, could we be definitely sure, that since Cat's last visit exactly 5 years/60 months have passed, and not more? No, we can't.

For example, if Robert was born in October of 291, last time Cat saw him in February 292, when he was less than a year old, and current visit is happening in August 298, then since her last visit had passed 5 years (5 years and 6 months, which is less than 6 years, so she's thinking - 5 years had passed).

Obviously, that Robert's birthday could have happened in some other month, not specifically in October, and Cat's both visits also could have happened in other months, not in February and August. Though what is clear, is that Robert's birthday was later in a year than Cat's latest visit (he turned 7 after that), and her previous visit was earlier in a year than Robert's birthday (he turned 1 year old after she left), and between her visits passed at least 60 months (5 years), but, most likely - more than that, 5 years and months.

 

I could be wrong if - 1. that "eight going on three" has some other meaning, and not that his age is 8 years and 3 months; and 2. if Robert's birthday is in early part of a year, in a time slot that is later in a year than Lysa's death in 300, but earlier in a year than King Robert's visit to Winterfell. For example, if he turned 6/8 years old in January of 298/300, Lysa died in February of 300, already after her son's 8th birthday, and King Robert's visit to Winterfell happened, let's say, in April of 298, already after Little Robert's 6th birthday. <- but this 1&2 seems unlikely.

Thus, he was born in 291. If we will ignore all dubious and ambiguous information in relation to his age, and will base the year of his birth purely on information, that is known for sure, such as him being 6 in early 298, at the time of Robert's visit to Winterfell, and still being 6 months later, at the time of Cat's visit at the Eyrie, and him being 8 in early 300, at the time of Sansa's arrival to The Vale, then he was born in 291.

P.S. Next day after her wedding, while they were still at the Fingers, which was definitely still in January, Lysa mentioned that Robert is 8 years old, ASOS, Sansa VI - "He is eight. And not robust. But such a good boy, so bright and clever." It was no later than on 25th of January (The Purple Wedding happened on January 1st, maximum 14 days to sail from KL to the Fingers, +8  days until Lysa's arrival, and this conversation was happening on the next day). In January of 300 Robert was already 8.

So, if Robert's birthday is not in January, then he was born in 291.

[HexMachina]

On 7/28/2019 at 11:53 PM, Adam Targaryen said:

The Selaesori Qhoran is carrying dragon peppers and a corpse in brine.

 

Didn't the Cinnamon Wid also carry dragon peppers? And they lay Maester Aemon in a barrel of rum to keep him from rotting when he died, so maybe his is the corpse?

 

So could they both be the same ship or could the Selaesori Qhoran be carrying cargo from the Cinnamon Wind?

 

Sorry but I haven't read the chapter where Sam arrives in Oldtown nor the ones aboard the Selaesori Qhoran yet. I am currently reading Tyrion's chapter when he and Jorah get on the ship first

In addition to what @Rhaenys_Targaryen said, you might be interested to be reminded that the captain of the Cinnamon Wind already visited Dany when she was in Qarth. He brouht her the news of Robert’s demise

[Megorova]

On 7/29/2019 at 11:04 PM, Rhaenys_Targaryen said:

I'm not sure why you think that the range of years of birth given for Danwell make your theory impossible though? The squires had been less than 15 years old. If Danwell had taken part of the joust, he would not have been one of the squires. (A family member could have squired for him, though).

I think, that Danwell was that knight from House Frey, based on him later getting married with Wynafrei Whent. There's only one known member from House Blount, so Boros is that second knight. The third one, from House Haigh, is either Harrys or Donnel (because they both has a "cameo" in the books. Most likely, it is Donnel, because of his multiple confrontations with Sandor Clegane, who defeated him many times in tournaments. Sandor is a dangerous opponent, so to fight against him, his opponent also has to be a capable fighter. And that knight from House Haigh, on the first day of jousting at Harrenhal, was amongst champions. So, it's likely, that Donnel is one of those three).

There has to be some connection between those three knights from Harrenhal, and their three squires, and that connection is already writen somewhere in the books.

Freys have connection to House Haigh, thru marriage between Walder's daughter, Perianne, and her sons Harrys and Donnel Haighs. I'm crossing out their brother Alyn, because he himself is a squire. So he wasn't one of those three knights. Could be, that the knight from House Haigh was either Harrys or Donnel, and that Alyn was squiring for one of them. Though since then nearly 20 years have passed, so by now, if then he was a squire, he would have already became a knight, and he isn't. But also he doesn't seems to be one of candidates, because there's nearly zero information about him in the books. And those six, that were at Harrenhal, already are presented in the books. Because that reveal, about identities of those six, won't happen out of the blue. In the books there already exists fundament, on which that future reveal is based.  So, to figure out, who were those three, all we need to do, is to look for connection between Freys and possible candidates from Houses Haigh and Blount, and we will find, who were their Frey-squires).

All those three squires ganged up together against Howland, so they knew each other very well, and they have already done in the past something like that. Three unconnected people won't just get together and attack some random passer-by. So we're looking for three bullies, that are tied to each other. Furthermore, between those three and their knights, to whom they served, also have to be a connection, that is something more than just knights and their squires. Those three were unafraid to go and cause some stir, at such an important and mass ivent, as Harrenhal's Tournament. They were unafraid, nor respectful of their masters. So, it's likely, that their masters were their relatives, or something similar.

We can cross out, as possible candidates, nearly all Freys, that are younger than Lame Lothar. Because his next sibling, Jammos, has zero presentation in the books. It could be Whalen (one of three squires), based on info given about him - passed out drunk during the Red Wedding, took part in killing Grey Wind, and possibly killed Raynald Westerling, and lied that he didn't do it. Next are Walder's children from Bethany Rosby. Perwyn is a decent man, he didn't even took part in the Red Wedding, same as his brother, Olyvar, and their brother, Willamen, is a maester, so he is also out of the picture. Walder's children from his next wife, Annara Farring, is also out of the picture, because they were born already after 281. Frey-boys above Danwell, are not an option, because they all were too old to be no older than 15 in 281. Thus, those three squires, are Freys in the window between Danwell and Perwyn, based on their ages, and what was written about them in the books. And the Freys, that fit into profile of Harrenhal's perpetrators, are Lame Lothar, Merrett, Raymund, and Whalen. Out of those four Whalen (born in 267 or 268, 13 or 14 yo in 281) and Lothar (born in 264-266, 14-17 yo in 281) in 281 was no older than 15.

So, either 1. my theory about those six, being Frey-connected, is incorrect, or 2. ages of those Freys in the Wikia are incorrect (based on their ages, Lothar and Whalen could be two of those three, though one more is missing, and based on their personalities, and what is known about them, Raymund Frey is the perfect candidat to be one of those three squires, but he doesn't fit with his year of birth, 264-265, 15-17 in 281. Unless he was born in the very late 265, and his 16th birthday happened already after Harrenhal, then during that Tournament, he was still 15. Though Howland/Meera said, that those three boys were "They were none older than fifteen", and Raymund was a month or so from his 16th birthday, if not already 16 or even 17), or 3. those three squires were actually older than 15, and what Howland/Meera said about their ages, was added to make that story to be more dramatic, or 4. GRRM made a slight mistake (a few years +-) about ages of those squires and ages of Freys.

Or, if there's no mistakes in the books, and in calculations of Freys' ages, and my theory is also correct, then those three squires are Raymund, Lame Lothar, and Whalen. And their masters - Donnel Haigh, Danwell Frey, and Boros Blount. But that's only if Raymund's birthday is in last two months of a year.

[Lost Melnibonean]

In addition to Blackfyre and "Brightflame" heritage, Varys, Illyrio, and/or the noblest lad that ever lived are descendants of King Jaehaerys and Coryanne Wylde! 

[JBM]

I was looking for something else and came across this little unexpected parallel to Arya, in A Storm Of Swords, when Roose sends Jaime away from Harrenhall and he finds an old shield in the armory belonging to the Lothstons to wear, since he knows not to wear his Lannister or Kingsguard insignia:

"The Lothstons held Harrenhall before the Whents and had been a powerful family in their day, but they had died out ages ago, so no one was likely to object to him bearing their arms.  He would be no one's cousin, no one's enemy, no one's sworn sword... in sum, no one."  

Gave me a little chill!  

[Seams]

13 hours ago, JBM said:

I was looking for something else and came across this little unexpected parallel to Arya, in A Storm Of Swords, when Roose sends Jaime away from Harrenhall and he finds an old shield in the armory belonging to the Lothstons to wear, since he knows not to wear his Lannister or Kingsguard insignia:

"The Lothstons held Harrenhall before the Whents and had been a powerful family in their day, but they had died out ages ago, so no one was likely to object to him bearing their arms.  He would be no one's cousin, no one's enemy, no one's sworn sword... in sum, no one."  

Gave me a little chill!  

Arya takes possession of Harrenhal, in a sense.

Weese about Chiswyck's fall from the wallwalk: "... Some are saying it was Harren's ghost flung him down."

It wasn't Harren, Arya wanted to say, it was me. She had killed Chiswyck with a whisper ... I'm the ghost in Harrenhal, she thought. And that night, there was one less name to hate.

ACoK, Chap. 30, Arya VII

If Winterfell is truly gone, is this my home now? Am I still Arya, or only Nan the serving girl, for forever and forever and forever?

ACoK, Chap. 64, Arya X

[Corvo the Crow]

1 hour ago, Seams said:

Arya takes possession of Harrenhal, in a sense.

Weese about Chiswyck's fall from the wallwalk: "... Some are saying it was Harren's ghost flung him down."

It wasn't Harren, Arya wanted to say, it was me. She had killed Chiswyck with a whisper ... I'm the ghost in Harrenhal, she thought. And that night, there was one less name to hate.

ACoK, Chap. 30, Arya VII

If Winterfell is truly gone, is this my home now? Am I still Arya, or only Nan the serving girl, for forever and forever and forever?

ACoK, Chap. 64, Arya X

This reminds me of another ghost in another castle that was burned. Perhaps he kills with a whisper as well?

[Ckram]

I have never noticed the Daenerys' vision with Rhaegar, Elia and baby Aegon in the House of the Undying depicts facts occured between the Tourney at Harrenhal and Lyanna's abduction.

[Iris Purpurea]

On 7/30/2019 at 7:51 PM, Megorova said:

I could be wrong if - 1. that "eight going on three" has some other meaning, and not that his age is 8 years and 3 months;

I'm not a native speaker but as far as I'm aware it means that he's 8 but behaves like he's 3 years old.

[Megorova]

19 minutes ago, darkeyedtraveller said:

I'm not a native speaker but as far as I'm aware it means that he's 8 but behaves like he's 3 years old.

Maybe. (I'm also not a native speaker.) If he is indeed 8 years old, and + unknown number of months, then he could have been born even earlier than in October or November of 291. In first month of 300, Lysa said to Sansa, that Robert is 8, so, unless he turned 8 in that same month, he was born in 291.

[Rhaenys_Targaryen]

On 7/30/2019 at 8:51 PM, Megorova said:

We can cross out the possibility, that Robert's birthday is very early in a year, based on Sansa's chapters, that took place in The Vale, after Purple Wedding, when Robert is 8 in early 300.

Why can we cross it out? Being six early in 298 AC and being eight early in 300 AC leave the exact same possibilities. 

 

On 7/30/2019 at 8:51 PM, Megorova said:

Based on that, from above, Lysa died either in February or in the very early March. And on the day of her death, in the morning Sansa thought about Robert - "Aside from her aged maid, Sansa's only companion was the Lord Robert, eight going on three." <- at that time he was 8 years and 3 months old. And because it was no later than in the very early March of 300, but, most likely, in February, Robert's 8th birthday happened back in 299, sometime between the end of October/beginning of November (if LF didn't visited all of those Lords in The Vale, and Lysa died in first half of February) and the beginning of December (if LF had spent entire February on visiting all those Lords, and Lysa died in early March, and this is when (in early March of 300) Robert is "eight going on three", if he is 8,3 in the beginning of March 300, then his 8th birthday happened in the beginning of December 299).

"Eight going on three" does not mean that he was eight years and three months old. It means that he is eight years old, but acts as if he is three years old. (https://linguaphiles.livejournal.com/4724430.html)

The only things that quote tell us is that:

1) Robert was 8 in early 300 AC, and 2) that he does not act his age.

 

On 7/30/2019 at 8:51 PM, Megorova said:

The thing is, it wasn't specifically said, what year was it, when Cat had seen Robert last time. It's just an assumption, that because at the time of her current visit, in 298, 5 years had passed, since her last visit, that that last visit happened in 293. Though the thing is, could we be definitely sure, that since Cat's last visit exactly 5 years/60 months have passed, and not more? No, we can't.

It would be more consistent with Martin's usage of text elsewhere.

For example, we know that the Sack of KL, in which Elia Martell died, took place near the end of 283 AC. 

In late 299 AC, that event is described as 16 years ago, in early 300 AC, as 17 years.

Gods, I hope not. "Wars and weddings have kept us well occupied, Prince Oberyn. I fear no one has yet had the time to look into murders sixteen yearsstale, dreadful as they were. We shall, of course, just as soon as we may. Any help that Dorne might be able to provide to restore the king's peace would only hasten the beginning of my lord father's inquiry—" (ASOS Tyrion 5)

 

' He wanted justice for Elia, but he would not wait—"

"He waited ten-and-seven years," the Lady Nym broke in. (AFFC The Captain of Guards)

 

The Blackfyre Rebellion, which lasted almost a year and both began and ended in 196 AC, is both said to have started and ended sixteen years ago by characters in TMK. As the start and end of the event are nearly a year apart, these characters too look at the difference betweem the current year (212 AC) and the year of the event (196 AC).

Sixteen years ago, a bastard son of King Aegon IV named Daemon Blackfyre had risen in revolt against his trueborn brother. 

 

 "I remember now. Ser Arlan never liked to talk about the Redgrass Field, but once in his cups he told me how his sister's son had died." He could almost hear the old man's voice again, smell the wine upon his breath. "Roger of Pennytree, that was his name. His head was smashed in by a mace wielded by a lord with three castles on his shield." Lord Gormon Peake. The old man never knew his name. Or never wanted to. By that time Lord Peake and John the Fiddler and their party were no more than a plume of red dust in the distance. It was sixteen years ago. The Pretender died, and those who followed him were exiled or forgiven. Anyway, it has nought to do with me.

 

If there is anything in the text that can demonstrate that he was born in 291 AC and the interpretation of five years ago is wrong, please let me know. But 'eight going on three' does not demonstrate anything regarding his age, except that he is eight years old.

[Bleiz]

Rhaegar Frey's third (and youngest child) is called Jonos 

[Fun Guy from Yuggoth]

I am a carpenter and today I was using a nail-puller called a cat's paw--and I realized that it is a type of crow--as one of the meanings of crow is a pry bar.  What if the 3 eyed crow was the trickster who got Joff to send the cat's paw in order to pry Cat away from Bran and out of Winterfell so that Bran could escape north?  (the Star Trek episode Catspaw is about using magic and illusion to deceive)

 

On 7/15/2019 at 4:35 PM, Gingin said:

Lothor Brune is nicknamed Apple-Eater because he killed members of House Fossoway, whose sigil is an apple.

Last month I discovered that Galladon / gaileadán  means "boiler" in gaelic and that sent me down a rabbit hole investigating every mention of kettles, pots, tubs, etc. and people whose names refer to those objects because I think they are clues about the "second moon" that causes the Long Night eclipse (because it is a hollow metallic "moon"--the greek word for boiler/cauldron is "levitas"--with the implication that the "cauldron" levitates)

In gaelic, lothar means "cauldron" and bruinne means "judgment, doom" and bruin means "cauldron, kettle"  in other languages brunn means "dark, brown"--a dark cauldron of doom

Lothor Brune is associated with Fossaway, fass means "barrel, keg, vat" in german, and in english fossa means " A long, narrow, shallow depression on the body of an extraterrestrial body, such as a planet or moon "--so apples are associated with extraterrestrial bodies.

In Slavic mythology the sky god Perun/Perkune possesses the golden apples which are "a talisman of ultimate destruction" which he throws up into the sky and they shoot lighting at people.

 

Cerwyn means "vat, large tub" in welsh and come from the latin carina (keel of a ship)--and he was another mythological figure who fights the dragon Urrax, (possible name meanings: aurochs means bull, auric means gold--Cerwyn killed the sun?, furax means thief, urraca means magpie), He has a Mirror Shield so no-one sees him approach--like an all black moon that emerges out of the night?  The Mirror Shield is also a reference to Perseus slaying Medusa (and I have been saying that the weirwood is a kind of Medusa).  Cerwyn is "haunted by the ghosts of all the knights he'd killed" --Others are ghostly knights, and Cerwyn is followed by them?  He is almost always mentioned along with Symeon Star Eyes who is an Other with blue star eyes.  Maybe the legends have it backwards and the dragon killed Cerwyn with a spear from the (God's) Eye?.

 

In the Irish tale of Bran the Blessed, he is described as a giant floating mountain, and he has a cauldron that can reanimate the dead.  And when Bran and his army of giants invade there is a battle where almost everyone dies.  The gaelic word abhran means "cauldron" and brannra means "a pot" and catillus means "small bowl" in latin, and in germanic katilaz mean "kettle"--if Bran is a cauldron/pot it makes sense that his mother is a kettle of some sort also.

Bran's cauldron that brings back the dead is the Lion of Night/"second moon" that brings back the Others.  Bran the Blessed gets decapitated but remains alive--he is a giant floating head. 

 

In the Feast prologue they are at the Quill and Tankard, and Alleras the sand snake shoots apples out of the air in the dark with goldenheart red feathered arrows, in real life ancient astronomy comets are sometimes depicted as feathers.  A quill is a feather, and a tankard is a hollow metal vessel.  Alleras shooting the apples out the air before the dawn is a metaphor for the weirwoods ending the Long Night by shooting the second moon out of eclipse.

 

Brienne's father is Selwyn--which is close to Cerwyn and he is the Evenstar and Lord of Evenfall--the first star of the night and the lord of Nightfall, and their sigil maybe depicts an eclipse, and she had a brother Galladon who drowned.  Brienne is the moon, a huge woman with a messed up moon face, The word "Tarth" is pretty close to "Earth", and it is a Sapphire Isle--Earth is a pale blue dot.  She had two sisters Arianne and Alysane,, Arion was the name of a planet in the Way of Cross and Dragon, and Arianrhod is the name of the constellation the Northern Crown and it means "silver circle" and alysan means to "detach, remove"

 

In gaelic "brothaire" means "cauldron of soup"--and Nimble Dick (in latin levitas means "nimble" and a penis is a sword) mentions the Brothers Brune (cauldron cauldron, or cauldron of doom), after Lucifer Hardy (lucifer means lightbringer, the lightbringer comet mentioned along with the cauldron of doom, Hardy is an anagram of Hydra, and Nimble Dick mentions folk hero Clarence Crabb who was a giant who uprooted trees and threw them (he launched trees and crabs are undersea equivalents of crows), and Brienne mentions Galladon of Morne--gaileadan means "boiler" and mornan means "a small tub")) Dick says "I would have used the bloody sword"--he pretty much tells us that the Just Maid was a magic bloody sword--it was the red comet. 

This could have implications for the black brothers of the Night's Watch, there is a lot of kettle soup talk at the wall, and Jon gets elected Lord Crow by Mormont's raven flying out of a huge black kettle.  When the raven says "corn" it means death, and the raven says "corn? kettle, kettle, kettle"

In the weasel soup incident, Arya, Jaqen, Rorge and Biter take steal soup kettles, kill the guards and release the Northmen from imprisonment--who immediately start killing people.  The black kettle releases the Northmen--the Lion of Night releases the Others. ("rorge and biter" is an anagram of "orbiter danger" and "jachin hagar" roughly translates to "he will establish the stranger")

Gregor is called a kettle by Tyrion, "the Mountain That Rides was a kettle of a different color."  In Bran's coma dream he is a hollow stone giant that eclipses the sun, and "Ser Gregor Clegane's face might have been hewn from rock."  and in the fight between Oberyn and Gregor, Gregor eclipses the sun and Oberyn uses the mirror shield trick--and it was the Red Viper who impaled the Stone Giant on a leafy ash spear and pinned him to the Earth with it.  A floating mountain that is a kettle, that is a hollow stone giant that eclipses the sun and is brought down by a leafy wooden spear.  (egregore means "watcher" and they were supernatural beings from the Book of Enoch that fathered the Nephilim.)

The Kettleblacks all have names that start with "os"--a prefix meaning "bone"  cleagainne means "skull" --Cersei is a lion who has surrounded her self with black kettles and skulls and bones, and she is jealous dark sister to Jaime's solar character.

 

In gaelic neasa means "earthenware vessel" (nissa nissa is associated with the moon)

 

Mad Danelle Lothston had black bats that abducted children on moonless nights to put in her cookpot. 

 

In The Stone City there is a spaceship called the Corey Dark, coire means "cauldron" in gaelic.  coirean means "little cauldron" 

The Selaesoli Qhoran was a "wallowing tub"  and the captain was flinty (dark?) and kettle-bellied. selaesori is an anagram of "leo arises" --the Lion of Night arises.  (also similar sounding "currasan" means a "large deep vessel" cronan means "cauldron") 

While on the Selaesori: "Tyrion had never seen a bigger moon. Monstrous, swollen, it looked as if it had swallowed the sun and woken with a fever. Its twin, floating on the sea beyond the ship,"  Two moons, one swallowed the sun.

Tyrion was in charge of cisterns in Casterly Rock, a cistern is a tank or vat.  Tyrion wears a huge bucket helm to cover his huge head and gets hit in the face by a morningstar.  Tyrion travels around Westeros in a shadowskin cloak, he desperately wants Casterly Rock which is a gigantic stone lion, and Tyrion's name is a rearrangement of Yin Tar --Tar Yin.  Tyrion is a giant, a stone, and a lion: "Stone, I must be stone, I must be Casterly Rock, hard and unmovable. . . A lion, I must be a lion, live a lion, die a lion." "You are my lion, aren't you? My giant of Lannister?"  The name Tyrian comes from the ancient city Tyre, named after the rocky outcrop of stone that it was built upon.  Tyrian purple was a color of purple cloth that only the Imperial Elites were legally allowed to wear in Rome.

"a rock that some say looks like a lion in repose when the sun sets and the shadows fall." "the power of Casterly Rock looming to the west like a shadow"  Tyrion will cast a very large shadow: "ofttimes a very small man can cast a very large shadow" "And you. A small man with a big shadow"

 

In gaelic luighe means "cauldron, kettle" in gaelic, and luan means "moon" and "doomsday" and Luwin was mapping the shadow planet, and was an astronomer.  llew means "lion" and the Lion of Night is the doomsday moon/cauldron.

Davos' sigil is a black ship and "Davos Seaworth" is an anagram of "sat overshadow" as in satellite overshadows Earth? or "shadow sat over" like the shadow that sits over the Earth like in Asshai?  In the HoBW the Lion of Night sits an ebony throne. 

 

Mirri Maaz Dur's blood sacrifice ritual with Drogo has him "floating in a tub, like one dead already" and his red horse gets sacrificed with a leaf shaped blade and sprays blood all over Drogo--the dying sun floating in a tub accompanied by a red comet, and later  "The slaves erected Khal Drogo's tent beneath a jagged outcrop of black rock whose shadow gave some relief from the heat of the afternoon sun"--dying sun in a tub, and in the shadow of a black rock, then gets smothered to death by Dany/the moon.  The word murra / myrrha in latin means "a material of which costly vessels were made--myrrh means "bitterness" and mazdur / mazdoor means "laborer" in indian)  (kaleso means "cauldron" in esperanto, kaldrono means "kettle" in esperanto)

 

 

[SiSt]

Azor Ahai
Asshai
Azhai

Probably some elaborate theory on this already, but I just noticed.

[Fun Guy from Yuggoth]

4 minutes ago, SiSt said:

Azor Ahai
Asshai
Azhai

Probably some elaborate theory on this already, but I just noticed.

The three headed dragon in Persian mythology is called Azhi Dahak. azi means "serpent or dragon", ahi means "snake".

In Hindu mythology Asuras are described as powerful superhuman demigods. The malevolent Asuras are led by Vritra, also called Ahi (or Azhi), Ahi appears as a dragon blocking the course of the rivers and is heroically slain by Indra (the Storm God).  Asura Ahi = Azor Ahai, and Azhi = Asshai = dragon, (In Zoroastrianism Azhi Dahak the three-headed dragon wanted to depopulate the world) Ahi blocks rivers, and the Long Night caused the Rhoyne to dwindle and disappear.

Azor Ahai is a "dragon," Asshai is named after him.  A dragon that causes the Long Night and is a shadow over Asshai--also in the sci-fi book Mutineer's Moon, Dahak is the name of a moon sized spaceship that orbits Earth disguised as our moon, and it's sigil is a three-headed dragon.  In ASOIAF black dragons block out the sun.