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6 minutes ago, JEORDHl said:

I'd love to know how that's possible, frankly. His address to the UN in 2003 was riddled with, if not outright lies, egregious exaggerations. 

The man was Secretary of fucking State,

So, what?  You want the Hague to bring him in for lying to the UN?  How big you want those dungeons?

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5 hours ago, ThinkerX said:

you (mistakenly) assume those doing the arresting and prosecuting have any interest in legal norms.  Thus far, we've been saved by two things:

 

1 - Trump is lazy

2 - Team Trump is monumentally incompetent, and those with a measure of competence are too much into self preservation to break the norms.

 

Lol he's not a king.

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16 hours ago, Mudguard said:

Ocasio-Cortez did not have anything to do with the settlement agreement between Gilead and Teva that allows a single generic from Teva to be allowed on the market a year ahead of schedule.  Teva will have a period of exclusivity, 6 months, where it will be the only generic on the market.  Generally, in this situation, the price drop is modest, maybe around 20%.  After this period is up though, other generics can enter and their should be a substantial drop in price.  The period of exclusivity awarded to Teva is to encourage generics to challenge big pharma patents.  The settlement agreement between Gilead and Teva was entered into in 2014, well before Ocasio-Cortez began her career.

The reason these settlements happen between big pharma and generics is because of the risk to big pharma that they will lose a challenge to their patents, which can cost them many years of patent term and tens of billions in profits.  To reduce or eliminate that risk, they instead come to a settlement agreement with the generic, who also eliminates the risk of losing their challenge and getting nothing.

This type of litigation and settlement with generics is standard in the pharma industry.  At one point, big pharma was paying generics tens of millions to hundreds of millions just to stay off the market.  Due to antitrust enforcement actions over the past several years, they've scaled it back a bit and are instead entering these types of agreements to shorten patent term by the minimal amount they can get away with, where they can argue that consumers are better off than before (but potentially not as much if the case actually went to trial).

Drug pricing in the US is broken, so I'm glad she is bringing it up.  But she had nothing to do with Gilead giving up a year of the patent.

So you don't believe that she requesting a meeting with the CEO, speaking out about this major issue within our total joke of health care in many venues and many places, had nothing to do with Gilead suddenly removing the patent protection a year earlier than they were required to do.  

Yes, let us by all means, denigrate and dismiss everything these women are actually DOING as our elected officials, charged with our public welfare.  That's a whole lot of words devoted to dismissal.

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12 hours ago, Triskele said:

On a more serious note, one of my darkest thoughts since Trump was that Trump would one day put Obama in prison just cause.  Or Clinton, or someone.  I told myself that I was probably being too alarmist, but is something like that not so unimaginable now?  Trump sure doesn't seem like the type that wouldn't want to go after his political enemies.

If your name is Comey or McCabe how afraid are you right now?  

This has just now entered your thoughts?  After he campaigned leading hate rallies howling "Lock her up!"?

The first time he did that I was sure Hillary better have some non-extradition bolt-holes ready, and a private plane on 24/7 standbye.

It's time to lock up these people who are blatantly breaking the laws right now by blowing off subpoenas. Including the 'reality' tv demon.

 

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10 hours ago, ThinkerX said:

you (mistakenly) assume those doing the arresting and prosecuting have any interest in legal norms.  Thus far, we've been saved by two things:

 

1 - Trump is lazy

2 - Team Trump is monumentally incompetent, and those with a measure of competence are too much into self preservation to break the norms.

 

And by principled federal judges, though of course they're feverishly stocking the judiciary with Federalist Society test tube lawyers, like Kavanaugh.

I bet we see that Sandmann kid smirking from a federal bench in fifteen or twenty years.

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23 minutes ago, DanteGabriel said:

And by principled federal judges, though of course they're feverishly stocking the judiciary with Federalist Society test tube lawyers, like Kavanaugh.

I bet we see that Sandmann kid smirking from a federal bench in fifteen or twenty years.

As stupid and ignorant as he and his thugs are, they're firmly in power and have all the levers of power firmly in their hands, and they have no compunction about pulling them.  The only hold-back, as far as I can tell, is waiting until he feels entirely safe from retaliation.  He wants, and always has, long before he even ran for POTUS, to have anyone who challenges him, whom he perceives as a threat, or makes fun of him, or anything he doesn't like, arrested.  He's always tried to do that with anyone who challenges his own criminal and ugly behaviors. 

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10 hours ago, DMC said:

So, what?  You want the Hague to bring him in for lying to the UN?  How big you want those dungeons?

lol

Justice for all the innocent Iraqi dead would be nice, however unlikely, but Powell doesn't get a pass from me is all I'm saying, you cranky fuck. :)  

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12 minutes ago, JEORDHl said:

Justice for all the innocent Iraqi dead would be nice, however unlikely, but Powell doesn't get a pass from me is all I'm saying, you cranky fuck. :) 

Ha!  Fair enough.

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2 hours ago, DanteGabriel said:

And by principled federal judges, though of course they're feverishly stocking the judiciary with Federalist Society test tube lawyers, like Kavanaugh.

I bet we see that Sandmann kid smirking from a federal bench in fifteen or twenty years.

All five conservative justices are members. Among all the gross hypocritical shit in politics, "liberal activist judge" has to be one of most fucking infuriating things that exists.
 

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4 hours ago, Zorral said:

This has just now entered your thoughts? 

No, and my post did not suggest that it was.  

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30 minutes ago, Triskele said:

No, and my post did not suggest that it was.  

Well, the wording so suggested that it was, to me, anyway! :cheers:

After all, even here, posters keep suggesting things aren't as bad as so many of us see it as being, or that somebody among the rethugs will come and save us from themselves and him -- and ourselves as well, I suppose. :dunno:

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2 minutes ago, Zorral said:

Well, the wording so suggested that it was, to me, anyway! :cheers:

After all, even here, posters keep suggesting things aren't as bad as so many of us see it as being, or that somebody among the rethugs will come and save us from themselves and him -- and ourselves as well, I suppose. :dunno:

What I meant by "since Trump" was that I've had that thought since early but the events of recent days like Barr's new powers plus Trumps treason talk is making me wonder to what extent we're getting close to when/how they actually pursue this angle.  So difficult to tell because how many of us even understand the ways in which this sort of stuff could actually be pursued legally.  But the President is actively talking about executing Comey for Treason, and Barr seems to think the POTUS is supposed to be a King.  Terrifying times.  

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3 hours ago, Triskele said:

What I meant by "since Trump" was that I've had that thought since early but the events of recent days like Barr's new powers plus Trumps treason talk is making me wonder to what extent we're getting close to when/how they actually pursue this angle.  So difficult to tell because how many of us even understand the ways in which this sort of stuff could actually be pursued legally.  But the President is actively talking about executing Comey for Treason, and Barr seems to think the POTUS is supposed to be a King.  Terrifying times.  

Monkey, you are forgetting something crucial here:

Trump is not a rational actor.

ALL of Trumps underlings, sooner or later, fall out of favor with Trump.  Barr will be no different.  Remember the fate of his predecessor and consider the large number of top officials who have left the administration under a cloud or hostile tweets. 

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35 minutes ago, ThinkerX said:

Monkey, you are forgetting something crucial here:

Trump is not a rational actor.

ALL of Trumps underlings, sooner or later, fall out of favor with Trump.  Barr will be no different.  Remember the fate of his predecessor and consider the large number of top officials who have left the administration under a cloud or hostile tweets. 

no doubt on the rational actor thing.  And while I surely largely agree with what you pointed out about Trump's underlings I do not think it can be safely assumed with everyone.  Look at Miller still going strong.  And Barr seemed to really know what he was getting into and wanted to get into it unlike a lot of these other folks like Sessions or Matus or Tillerson or what have you.  

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I wonder if Putin wants Trump to destroy Chinese trade.

i notice that that when Republicans can’t find anything to support their positions they casually resort to manufactured alternate facts. Anyone recall all those WMD s found in Iraq? Hillary’s illnesses? Sex pizza parlors? Obama’s birthplace? Nancy Pelosi’ speech altered so that they claim that she is drunk?

I think they are now going after NP, pretending Trump’s juvenile, and even slurred speech is projected onto someone else. They can’t stand a powerful smart woman.

Oh oh, she called us out on the coverup. Quick, Ivan, give us a bs video that Trump supporters with eat up with a helping of gullibility and a mediocre education.

i know a Texan, who naively said something like Hillary can’t be president because of her brain issues...well, she did have pneumonia. Lock her up!

Then there are the trolls who who try to divide Democrats or siphon votes off to a third party. Mostly democrats want the same things, but disagree on strategy, time lines and tactics. Go to Salon and play spot the paid troll with me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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On this deep fake video of Pelosi going around she has now commented saying something like "When I'm drunk, you'll fucking know it."  Quite a boss way to handle it if you ask me. 

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3 minutes ago, Triskele said:

no doubt on the rational actor thing.  And while I surely largely agree with what you pointed out about Trump's underlings I do not think it can be safely assumed with everyone.  Look at Miller still going strong.  And Barr seemed to really know what he was getting into and wanted to get into it unlike a lot of these other folks like Sessions or Matus or Tillerson or what have you.  

before Miller, there was Bannon.  Like Barr, Sessions boasted a reputation for ruthless competence.   Mattis, despite his flaws, was a competent, decorated soldier.  All three, among others, entered their posts with great fanfare and left in disgrace, often after months of feuding.

Trump cannot tolerate others in the spotlight - even his closest allies.  Likewise, he cannot accept restraints on his behavior.  Barr is already challenging Trump on the first point and will likely be at loggerheads with him on the second within the next few months.  Also worth keeping in mind the intel community Trump seeks to investigate knows where *all* the bodies are buried.  Only a matter of time till something there blows up big time in Barr's face.

 

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17 minutes ago, ThinkerX said:

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Perhaps we're about to see a new test of just how stupid Trump is.  If he doesn't realizing how much Barr is helping him then he's even dumber than we thought, and you can't go much lower.  

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1 hour ago, Triskele said:

On this deep fake video of Pelosi going around she has now commented saying something like "When I'm drunk, you'll fucking know it."  Quite a boss way to handle it if you ask me. 

Fake News!

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