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19 minutes ago, Ser Quork said:

I could see a scenario where Jorah could be the one to kill her, in fact, as a mercy killing, for sure, but not otherwise.

To save her from D & D?

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2 hours ago, Ygrain said:

I'm not adverse to Jorah turning on Dany, either - at that point, she was no longer the woman he had fallen for so hard, she was someone else. Killing her would be an act of love, not letting her become something terrible. 

Plus, the alternate ending video I watched claimed that Missandei had intended to leave and Jorah started to oppose Dany's decisions, which contributed to her feeling that everyone was abandoning and/or betraying her. Which would help build up her going over the edge and hopefully give it more credibility. 

But... but... but... that wouldn’t be OMFG SO SHOCKING DIDN'T SEE IT COMING!!! 

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Wait... is he serious?

“For a long time we wanted Ser Jorah to be there at The Wall in the end,” writer Dave Hill says. “The three coming out of the tunnel would be Jon and Jorah and Tormund. But the amount to logic we’d have to bend to get Jorah up to The Wall and get him to leave Dany’s side right before [the events in the finale] … there’s no way to do that blithely. And Jorah should have the noble death he craves defending the woman he loves.”

Really? REALLY? That would have required bending logic??????? 

:lol:

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On 5/21/2019 at 12:12 PM, Herthallen said:

- Snow in King's Landing, who would have thought we would actually see that, I forgot that it was actually WINTER. Oh nevermind, just a passing temperature change, it's sunny already.

- Remember when King's Landing turned into ash? Like in last episode? I think D&D forgot, because everything looks pretty much rebuilt by the end of the episode.

Also, a few weeks after the city was razed to the ground and its inhabitants slaughtered, Dothraki just strolling around an intact KL port chatting like a pair of Braavosi merchants. That cracked me up when I watched the episode.

That makes sense. Totally.

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13 hours ago, kissdbyfire said:

Shouldn’t a stand up routine be funny though? Cuz that scene was actually tragic.

Mark Twain said as part of his scathing critique of the Deerslayer novels that a sign of bad writing was when tragedy is comical and comedy is tragic. 

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1 hour ago, kissdbyfire said:

Wait... is he serious?

“For a long time we wanted Ser Jorah to be there at The Wall in the end,” writer Dave Hill says. “The three coming out of the tunnel would be Jon and Jorah and Tormund. But the amount to logic we’d have to bend to get Jorah up to The Wall and get him to leave Dany’s side right before [the events in the finale] … there’s no way to do that blithely. And Jorah should have the noble death he craves defending the woman he loves.”

Really? REALLY? That would have required bending logic??????? 

:lol:

How can we read something like that and accept that this ending is similar to grrm's ending? 

And Jorah would be leaving with the wildlings instead of staying in the NW why? Or are they just escorting the wildlings and then they return? 

Because in the books Jorah ending up as the 1000th lord commander is a perfect ending for him given the story between him and his father. 

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12 minutes ago, divica said:

How can we read something like that and accept that this ending is similar to grrm's ending? 

And Jorah would be leaving with the wildlings instead of staying in the NW why? Or are they just escorting the wildlings and then they return? 

Because in the books Jorah ending up as the 1000th lord commander is a perfect ending for him given the story between him and his father. 

in some ways it might have been better for jorah to kill dany...jon taking drogon and being revealed as the heir.  then jon heads off on drogon with dany to?

 

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6 hours ago, Ygrain said:

Now that's a thing I could rant about for days. 

Those idiots apparently think that being a strong wahman equals to throwing around such lines with a deadpan expression. No, it doesn't. It makes you someone broken on the inside whose harsh lessons apparently taught you nothing about wisdom and compassion, you're just showing the world all those huge scars turned stone while you're hollow on the inside. That's not strength, that's actually weakness.

Plus, they rinse and repeat this stuff with all the major female characters - Sansa, Dany and Arya are freely interchangeable most of the time, as if cast out of the same mold. Really awesome writing there, a pinnacle of characterisation. :ack:

I'm not a Sansa fan, but what they did to her character was just insane.  If she has to turn into a manipulative schemer, at least she needed to keep the veneer of politeness that was always Sansa's strength and shield.  Having her tell her mother's brother whose been a cell for years to STFU instead of saying something diplomatic was emblematic of the show's inability to see a woman in power who doesn't act like a rude jerk.  Sansa has been incredibly rude to almost everyone since she got to Winterfell, rude when politeness would have been a much better strategy.  Arya, sure, it's totally in character for her to threaten to slit someone's throat in a meeting, that's who she has always been.  They did the same thing with Brienne, making her super rude to Pod for no reason except they can't seem to write strong women who aren't bitches.  Sad.

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21 minutes ago, It_spelt_Magalhaes said:

Makes sense when you can't unsee the multitude of memes.

Well, I mean, the final season of Game of Thrones captures it perfectly:

'Tragedy': Jon stabbing Daenerys while saying 'Yoo will alwes be McQueen', Drogon seeing his dead mother, and as a result, burning an indirectly related spiky chair.

'Comedy': Tyrion replying to Varys regarding his hypocrisy with dwarf jokes versus eunuch jokes with 'that's because you have no cock'.

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22 minutes ago, Sir Hedge of Hog said:

in some ways it might have been better for jorah to kill dany...jon taking drogon and being revealed as the heir.  then jon heads off on drogon with dany to?

 

I would like that. The last targs and dragon leave westeros to somewhere unknown and become legends in the eyes of the people. They could even end up the series with danny opening her eyes...

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17 hours ago, Corvinus said:

Phew, it turns out the writers do have limits.

:lol:

“The three coming out of the tunnel would be Jon and Jorah and Tormund. But the amount of logic we’d have to bend to get Jorah up to the Wall and get him to leave Dany’s side right before [the events of the finale]…there’s no way to do that blithely. And Jorah should have the noble death he craves defending the woman he loves.”

 

Ha, so they ARE concerned about logic in the show. They could have fooled me with what they did the last few seasons.

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11 minutes ago, Beardy the Wildling said:

Well, I mean, the final season of Game of Thrones captures it perfectly:

'Tragedy': Jon stabbing Daenerys while saying 'Yoo will alwes be McQueen', Drogon seeing his dead mother, and as a result, burning an indirectly related spiky chair.

'Comedy': Tyrion replying to Varys regarding his hypocrisy with dwarf jokes versus eunuch jokes with 'that's because you have no cock'.

Yep.

The memes they sold us as the actual show.

The internet just picked up the gauntlet.

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15 minutes ago, Cas Stark said:

I'm not a Sansa fan, but what they did to her character was just insane.  If she has to turn into a manipulative schemer, at least she needed to keep the veneer of politeness that was always Sansa's strength and shield.  Having her tell her mother's brother whose been a cell for years to STFU instead of saying something diplomatic was emblematic of the show's inability to see a woman in power who doesn't act like a rude jerk.  Sansa has been incredibly rude to almost everyone since she got to Winterfell, rude when politeness would have been a much better strategy.  Arya, sure, it's totally in character for her to threaten to slit someone's throat in a meeting, that's who she has always been.  They did the same thing with Brienne, making her super rude to Pod for no reason except they can't seem to write strong women who aren't bitches.  Sad.

Given sansa's last seasons I don t know how anyone can be a sansa fan… She seems like one of those characters that lost her story and D&D didn t know what to do with her…

It is amazing how it would make much more sense for sansa to have political power in the vale to justify their continuous presence in winterfell and that she could have heard bad rumours about danny and that she has a problem with danny because of them...

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1 minute ago, divica said:

heard bad rumours about danny and that she has a problem with danny because of them...

Yeah, that's likely going to be the case with Arianne it looks like, it's far subtler and more realistic when you have lack of correct information and different perceptions affecting the story.

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23 minutes ago, Ser Hedge said:

Yeah, that's likely going to be the case with Arianne it looks like, it's far subtler and more realistic when you have lack of correct information and different perceptions affecting the story.

I expect that throughout TWOW, increasingly bad rumours about Dany will be filtering through to Westeros, from refugees crossing the Narrow Sea.  Then, it will entirely make sense for people to worry about whether they can make an alliance with her.

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With Bran, they had no clue as to what they wanted to say/do about/with his character. I’m still terribly confused as to the message they were sending with King Bran.

- If he could see the future and could have prevented the suffering and deaths of thousands but did nothing because he’s detached from all feelings and want, then how does that make him a good ruler? So is their final message that AI should rule humanity? A good ruler is one that has no empathy and/or and feelings? So are we to believe that if another lord is about to kill his subjects, King Bran will let it happen although he sees it in his crystal ball/weirnet because what has to happen has to happen? I’m not sure what the message is. 

- If he could see the future and manipulated events by letting thousands die so that he could be King, then he’s downright evil. Again, how is it good for Westeros to have this person as their King.

- If they are implying he can’t see the future, what was his mambo jambo response to Tyrion or Jon all about? Was that just added in by D&D for intrigue?

They couldn’t make up their mind about what to do with Bran except make him King somehow cause this is what GRRM told them years ago (likely before he decided to skip the 5-year time jump) and because this would be totally out of left field and shock the audience. They didn’t put any thought into how Bran being King would work... so they had Tyrion (who was literally a pariah in Westeros and who failed over and over again) make a 5 min BS argument to some random nobles and non-nobles, and voila Bran is king. 

I’m not sure we’ll ever know GRRM’s real feelings on this travesty, as he’s too polite and he still has all these projects he’s working on with HBO to diss their highest rated show. And then of course, I guess he feels somehow indebted to these two morons for making his books such a global phenomena.  

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