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[Spoilers] Rant & Rave without Repercussion, Final edition


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2 minutes ago, Ygrain said:

I wish I could forget it, as well, that's where the major facepalms started. Gandalf the plastic surgeon restoring Theoden, Éomer the idiot failing to recognize that dead hobbits would be easily recognizable from dead orcs, thus creating a false drama, Ents not knowing what was going on in their backyard, Aragorn prompting Legolas to shoot at an old man (alright, at least the films were consistent here letting him ponder breaking his word and attacking an envoy - wow, what a king), Éowyn the babysitter, shieldskating Legolas....

Don't hate me for reminding you, please.

I guess PJ must be a relation of Saruman's, captivating with images instead of voice.

Bless the man.

They have many faults, but in fairness, I enjoyed them up till the Battle of Minas Tirith, when Aragorn wiped out the army of Mordor with the aid of the green soap bubbles of death, making the Riders of Rohan pointless - and then the film dived off a cliff.

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Just now, SeanF said:

They have many faults, but in fairness, I enjoyed them up till the Battle of Minas Tirith, when Aragorn wiped out the army of Mordor with the aid of the green soap bubbles of death, making the Riders of Rohan pointless - and then the film dived off a cliff.

And then they magically disappeared instead of staying just a little longer to clean up Mordor itself.....

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8 minutes ago, SeanF said:

From time to time, I find myself asking "am I the idiot, here? " when I complain about an adaptation of a book I love, which is riddled with plot holes, total misunderstanding of the characters, and a preference for shocks over character development.  It's a relief to know others feel the first way.

Well, yeah, I am mostly alone in this department, as well. Though, with The Hobbit, people are beginning to see the light.

8 minutes ago, SeanF said:

I thought Season 7 was mediocre, but almost to the end, I hoped  D & D would rise to the challenge of doing Season 8, but they gave us a shit sandwich.

I'll never understand why they felt the need to wrap it all so fast, and if they were fed up with it, why they didn't let someone else take over the writing.

 

2 minutes ago, It_spelt_Magalhaes said:

Beren and Luthien stopping mid Silmarillion heist to get it on doggy style.

Now you've reminded me of a fan-made musical where the two can't get a moment for themselves because Huan the Hound keeps pestering them to play fetch or be petted and the like :D

 

1 minute ago, SeanF said:

They have many faults, but in fairness, I enjoyed them up till the Battle of Minas Tirith, when Aragorn wiped out the army of Mordor with the aid of the green soap bubbles of death, making the Riders of Rohan pointless - and then the film dived off a cliff.

We call that gooseberry jelly around here :D

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14 minutes ago, SeanF said:

They have many faults, but in fairness, I enjoyed them up till the Battle of Minas Tirith, when Aragorn wiped out the army of Mordor with the aid of the green soap bubbles of death, making the Riders of Rohan pointless - and then the film dived off a cliff.

It's foreshadowing for the nerve of D&D?

They had Gimli ask the obvious question and everything.

Hey, bro, why didn't you keep them around in case the other two idiots fuck it up, eh?

Sigh.

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2 minutes ago, Ygrain said:

I'll never understand why they felt the need to wrap it all so fast, and if they were fed up with it, why they didn't let someone else take over the writing.

It’s probably a mix of ego, arrogance, and spite at GRRM and the fans. I say spite at GRRM because I’m sure they imagined Martin completing the books by the time they caught up. When they knew that wouldn’t happen and probably couldn’t get much out of Martin as to how things would progress or end (my assumption), they probably gave up and said eff it. They then decided to let it crash and burn and rightly assumed that the unsullied audience (including the so called critics) would be none the wiser and would lap up anything that had dragons, big battles, scenes with nudity and obscene jokes. I don’t know about Weiss, but Benioff adapted the screenplay for Kite Runner, which I though was fairly good. Although his Troy script had several of the samr cringe inducing dialogue we saw on GoT. 

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1 minute ago, teej6 said:

It’s probably a mix of ego, arrogance, and spite at GRRM and the fans. I say spite at GRRM because I’m sure they imagined Martin completing the books by the time they caught up. When they knew that wouldn’t happen and probably couldn’t get much out of Martin as to how things would progress or end (my assumption), they probably gave up and said eff it. They then decided to let it crash and burn and rightly assumed that the unsullied audience (including the so called critics) would be none the wiser and would lap up anything that had dragons, big battles, scenes with nudity and obscene jokes. I don’t know about Weiss, but Benioff adapted the screenplay for Kite Runner, which I though was fairly good. Although his Troy script had several of the samr cringe inducing dialogue we saw on GoT. 

Didn't know the spectre of D&D cast that shadow as well. 

Some genius had to decide to turn Achilles into a romantic hero. Ffs

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3 minutes ago, teej6 said:

Although his Troy script had several of the samr cringe inducing dialogue we saw on GoT. 

Omg, yes :bang:

"Too early in the morning to kill princes" and lets Hector return to Troy, wtf.

Oh and Menelaus dies at the beginning of the war :lmao:

 

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7 minutes ago, teej6 said:

Although his Troy script had several of the samr cringe inducing dialogue we saw on GoT. 

That might be the reason why I stopped watching after like 15 minutes...

Though, to be fair to him, I yet have to see a good adaptation of the Greek myths (though I still enjoy the old Clash of the Titans).

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I had many issues w/ the LotR films. Many things I didn’t like, or didn’t agree with. But there’s two very big differences between GoT and the LotR films for me. 

1. With Jackson’s films I can sort of turn off the comparison and enjoy the films. If I manage to forget the books, not something I succeed at doing all the time, I find the films quite enjoyable. 

2. Peter Jackson may have got a LOT “wrong”, and may have left things I would rather he’d kept, and I may not agree w/ the way he interpreted/portrayed a bunch of stuff. All that said, he showed a lot of respect for Tolkien and for the books. He insisted on everyone reading the books, they had many conversations about it, etc. Whereas David and Dan explicitly discouraged actors from reading the novels. Remember Iain Glen saying their eyes would “glaze over” whenever anyone mentioned the books? So, yeah. Give me PJ over David and Dan any day of the week and twice on sundays. :D

 

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1 minute ago, kissdbyfire said:

I had many issues w/ the LotR films. Many things I didn’t like, or didn’t agree with. But there’s two very big differences between GoT and the LotR films for me. 

1. With Jackson’s films I can sort of turn off the comparison and enjoy the films. If I manage to forget the books, not something I succeed at doing all the time, I find the films quite enjoyable. 

2. Peter Jackson may have got a LOT “wrong”, and may have left things I would rather he’d kept, and I may not agree w/ the way he interpreted/portrayed a bunch of stuff. All that said, he showed a lot of respect for Tolkien and for the books. He insisted on everyone reading the books, they had many conversations about it, etc. Whereas David and Dan explicitly discouraged actors from reading the novels. Remember Iain Glen saying their eyes would “glaze over” whenever anyone mentioned the books? So, yeah. Give me PJ over David and Dan any day of the week and twice on sundays. :D

 

It'd be sacrilegous to think they can compare. 

The allegory spawned from a comment by Charles Dance and derrailed completely.

I have the extended edition dvds and marathoned the three movies more than once.

Will I put myself through the torture of rewatching GoT?

Big N. Big O. NO.

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7 minutes ago, kissdbyfire said:

Whereas David and Dan explicitly discouraged actors from reading the novels. Remember Iain Glen saying their eyes would “glaze over” whenever anyone mentioned the books?

Didn't know that one - seems like their relationship with GRRM went sour.

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12 minutes ago, It_spelt_Magalhaes said:

It'd be sacrilegous to think they can compare. 

The allegory spawned from a comment by Charles Dance and derrailed completely.

I have the extended edition dvds and marathoned the three movies more than once.

Will I put myself through the torture of rewatching GoT?

Big N. Big O. NO.

Rewatching GoT? Nah, give me root canal w/o drugs. 

9 minutes ago, Ygrain said:

Didn't know that one - seems like their relationship with GRRM went sour.

That’s old-ish. Like series 5 or thereabouts. There’s plenty others, too. Gwen said something too, but I'm fuzzy on the details. IIRC, she kept bringing the books up as an argument when talking to David and Dan about Brienne’s character, and at one point they told her to forget the books or something to that effect. 

Can’t you just picture it though?

G - But... but... Brienne is not a brute monster, she has a journey, and her development as a character...

D&D - :rolleyes:

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10 minutes ago, Ygrain said:

Didn't know that one - seems like their relationship with GRRM went sour.

IMHO, they think they can come up with better storylines than GRRM, hence Sansa marrying Ramsay, Dany turning into the madwoman in the attic in three weeks, Porne, the Wight hunt, the characters teleporting across Westeros, the regenerating Unsullied, St. Tyrion etc.

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1 minute ago, SeanF said:

IMHO, they think they can come up with better storylines than GRRM, hence Sansa marrying Ramsay, Dany turning into the madwoman in the attic in three weeks, Porne, the Wight hunt, the characters teleporting across Westeros, the regenerating Unsullied, St. Tyrion etc.

So maybe they should go write novela scripts, the good venezuelan ones from the early nineties.

The heroine would have an accident and loose her memory, go blind or paralyzed. Then her partner, not the friendzoned suspected brother...

Wait...

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Here’s the Iain Glen interview.

As time goes by, more and more of the Game of Thrones cast are admitting they haven’t read the novels (written by George RR Martin) that the HBO series is based on.

But according to cast member Iain Glen, it’s not necessarily a decision they come to on their own – in fact, actors in the series are encouraged by showrunners David Benioff and DB Weiss to avoid the source material .

“I don’t read the books,” Glen told RadioTimes.com. “I read the first one when they gave me the job, just to get a feel from it and a synopsis breakdown of what was going to happen to the character.

But beyond that, the writers themselves, David and Dan, they didn’t particularly want actors coming to the scripts from the book, always suggesting what the book did and how it was different – I could see the glazed look in their eyes when that happened.”

He concluded: “They were quite happy for us to move forward and treat them as screenplays with no history, so that’s the reason why I only ever read the first novel.”

 

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52 minutes ago, Vanadis said:

Dany is a firework...
I had to do it. :)
 

 

To be honest that was incredibly satisfying. But when ever I watch the scene I do get annoyed she doesn't head to the Keep. 

I was also thinking, I wonder if she assumed her advisors would try to force her to not kill Cersei and supporters post surrender which is another reason she scorched it? There are a multitude of reasons for the scene tbh but we didn't get into any of them. It was purposefully done bad writing. 

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43 minutes ago, Techmaester said:

To be honest that was incredibly satisfying. But when ever I watch the scene I do get annoyed she doesn't head to the Keep. 

I was also thinking, I wonder if she assumed her advisors would try to force her to not kill Cersei and supporters post surrender which is another reason she scorched it? There are a multitude of reasons for the scene tbh but we didn't get into any of them. It was purposefully done bad writing. 

I agree it was bad writing.

The first time I watched it though, I got the feeling that she was thinking of Tyrion's advice, and deciding it was probably bad advice. Since the first thing she says to him when she meets him after the assault is "you freed your brother", she likely knew that he betrayed her when the bells rang. Perhaps that made her do the opposite of what he wanted.

But since the writing has been all over the place for so many characters, it doesn't really make sense to try to make sense of it all...

My conclusion, the version I prefer to live with, is that show Dany wouldn't have done this.

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20 minutes ago, Vanadis said:

I agree it was bad writing.

The first time I watched it though, I got the feeling that she was thinking of Tyrion's advice, and deciding it was probably bad advice. Since the first thing she says to him when she meets him after the assault is "you freed your brother", she likely knew that he betrayed her when the bells rang. Perhaps that made her do the opposite of what he wanted.

But since the writing has been all over the place for so many characters, it doesn't really make sense to try to make sense of it all...

My conclusion, the version I prefer to live with, is that show Dany wouldn't have done this.

Betrayed enough time by her advisors that she finally has a dragon sized response to it :D. 

By the way, if the population of kings landing had a connection to Targaryen's - wouldn't they leave by choice? I mean we essentially have the real ruler returning - if they had any particular loyalty at least some of the population would have left? Or rebelled against Cersei? 

It's kind of obvious that there is no resistance to her rule which probably would help rationalize Danys actions. These people aligned with Cersei they can die with her. In essence Kings Landing became the Lannisters city.  

But still, not hitting the keep right away is pretty significant since it would be her primary target first. Or burning a path for her army. 

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