Ygrain Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 2 hours ago, hewman said: The same is true for Mother of Flame. Only us sound better though. Yeah, that too... though the title is now rather ominous :-( All the GoT songs by Miracle of Sound are awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
divica Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 52 minutes ago, the tower of albion said: My thinking is Danys child inherits the throne (I like the symetry). I'm sure GRRM won't discard all the tropes of hight fantasy - some are just plain logical. Imagine if it mirrors the sort of circumstance of Ned and Lyannas "Promise me Ned" Dany makes Jon promise her that her child will sit the iron throne, which means Jon can not claim the throne on her passing. The pressure for king Jon to remarry would be over whelming and of course his new wife would want her children to inherit the throne not Danys child so Jon goes into exile to prevent any complications for said child? It also evokes the symbolism of Azor Ahai and Nissa Nissa only Light bringer brought forth is a baby not a sword. But in that scenario I see jon beeing regent between 10 to 15 years until he decides to exile himself somewhere… He wouldn t abandon his (?) child to be raised by other people. Nor would he leave the realms without trying to make them a better place for the child. I think grrm has expanded the targ story so much with FaB, dunk and egg and even in asoiaf to let it end in a big tragedy without any future descendents. Even if that was his original plan... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Hedge Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 1 hour ago, the tower of albion said: My thinking is Danys child inherits the throne (I like the symetry). I'm sure GRRM won't discard all the tropes of hight fantasy - some are just plain logical. Imagine if it mirrors the sort of circumstance of Ned and Lyannas "Promise me Ned" Dany makes Jon promise her that her child will sit the iron throne, which means Jon can not claim the throne on her passing. The pressure for king Jon to remarry would be over whelming and of course his new wife would want her children to inherit the throne not Danys child so Jon goes into exile to prevent any complications for said child? It also evokes the symbolism of Azor Ahai and Nissa Nissa only Light bringer brought forth is a baby not a sword. 16 minutes ago, divica said: But in that scenario I see jon beeing regent between 10 to 15 years until he decides to exile himself somewhere… He wouldn t abandon his (?) child to be raised by other people. Nor would he leave the realms without trying to make them a better place for the child. I think grrm has expanded the targ story so much with FaB, dunk and egg and even in asoiaf to let it end in a big tragedy without any future descendents. Even if that was his original plan... Bran as Regent ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Quork Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 23 hours ago, aquintus said: I think Bran is king makes sense if GRMM actually told D&D that Bran ends up as King as in King of the North (he is the oldest living son of Ned Stark, and Robb Stark's heir afterall). Bran as King of the 7 (or 6, I guess) Kingdoms really doesn't make any sense. Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
House Cambodia Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Tell you what, I've just watched the new Godzilla movie and realised GoT under D&D could be a lot worse! Same issues - big budget, fancy CGI, utterly ruined by unfeasibly bad writing. You've got script-by-algorithm: ethnics tick, strong females tick, English panto villain tick. And our best buddies, plot armour, teleportation, illogical motivations, characters who can't create any feelings we care about. I'm reading a lot of reviews on IMdB saying 10/10 whizz-bang, monsters, perfect! Sorry, if you can't construct a reasonable plot, believable characters and a sense of internal logic, you don't get a pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 2 hours ago, House Cambodia said: Tell you what, I've just watched the new Godzilla movie and realised GoT under D&D could be a lot worse! Same issues - big budget, fancy CGI, utterly ruined by unfeasibly bad writing. You've got script-by-algorithm: ethnics tick, strong females tick, English panto villain tick. And our best buddies, plot armour, teleportation, illogical motivations, characters who can't create any feelings we care about. I'm reading a lot of reviews on IMdB saying 10/10 whizz-bang, monsters, perfect! Sorry, if you can't construct a reasonable plot, believable characters and a sense of internal logic, you don't get a pass. Conversely, you can look at old films and TV series where the props and special effects are ropey in the extreme, but the plots, dialogue, and acting are excellent, and you thoroughly enjoy watching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It_spelt_Magalhaes Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 1 hour ago, SeanF said: Conversely, you can look at old films and TV series where the props and special effects are ropey in the extreme, but the plots, dialogue, and acting are excellent, and you thoroughly enjoy watching. I can still enjoy campy Adam West!Batman and Twilight Zone. Huge effects budget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragons Are Real Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Anybody slighting Adam West Batman needs to be summarily dismissed from the conversation. Sure it was goofy as hell, but it truly brought comics of the time to the screen with lovable characters, crazy plotlines that still resolved in meaningful and fulfilling ways, and special effects that looked straight out of the silly medium they originated from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ygrain Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 4 hours ago, SeanF said: Conversely, you can look at old films and TV series where the props and special effects are ropey in the extreme, but the plots, dialogue, and acting are excellent, and you thoroughly enjoy watching. Babylon 5 forever. Seen the whole series three or four times, and never tire of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It_spelt_Magalhaes Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Dragons Are Real said: Anybody slighting Adam West Batman needs to be summarily dismissed from the conversation. Sure it was goofy as hell, but it truly brought comics of the time to the screen with lovable characters, crazy plotlines that still resolved in meaningful and fulfilling ways, and special effects that looked straight out of the silly medium they originated from. Not dissing in anyway. Just comparing to crap like a Power Rangers remake where it's all effects and flashy explosions. And I loved it when even the first movie they made with Michael Keaton tried to keep some of that spirit. It still cracks me up, watching Jack Nicholson go 'Gentlemen, lets broaden our minds!'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragons Are Real Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, It_spelt_Magalhaes said: Not dissing in anyway. Just comparing to crap like a Power Rangers remake where it's all effects and flashy explosions. And I loved it when even the first movie they made with Michael Keaton tried to keep some of that spirit. It still cracks me up, watching Jack Nicholson go 'Gentlemen, lets broaden our minds!'. Yeah, I was trying to agree with you. Guess it didn't come off right. The Keaton Batmans were fantastic for big budget films. The goofiness inherent in the concept was held onto while still allowing some darkness to creep in. Him in his girlfriend's apartment trying to psych himself up to tell her he's Batman. Nicholson's, "Never rub another man's rhubarb" line delivered so flatly. Hell, any Nicholson line the whole film. "This town needs an enema!" The second one wasn't quite as magic, but still lots of fun to be had. We'll likely never see DC try to recapture that magic. They're much more interested in grimdark for grimdark sake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It_spelt_Magalhaes Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Just now, Dragons Are Real said: Yeah, I was trying to agree with you. Guess it didn't come off right. The Keaton Batmans were fantastic for big budget films. The goofiness inherent in the concept was held onto while still allowing some darkness to creep in. Him in his girlfriend's apartment trying to psych himself up to tell her he's Batman. Nicholson's, "Never rub another man's rhubarb" line delivered so flatly. Hell, any Nicholson line the whole film. "This town needs an enema!" The second one wasn't quite as magic, but still lots of fun to be had. We'll likely never see DC try to recapture that magic. They're much more interested in grimdark for grimdark sake. Oh, my bad. The recoil from thinking you thought I thought there was something bad to be said of West!Bat was immediate. And yeah, for all Ledger!Joker was amazing in a please let me never be even five thousand km from someone like that? (The 'I'm going to make this pencil disappear' gave me the worst episode of scared/horrified giggles) My vote still goes for Nicholson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gendelsdottir Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 On 6/3/2019 at 11:14 AM, CrypticWeirwood said: Only if his bottom half was a dragon. More seriously, it's pretty obvious that Martin was riffing off another F&SF work for Bran, but it wasn't Leto II whom he'd become. A much better fit is Bran being like Severian towards the end of Gene Wolfe’s Citadel of the Autarch after he'd suddenly and super-surprisingly become Autarch (ruler of everything) out of the blue because he'd "ingested" the living memories of all the rulers who came before him. I love that F&SF authors bounce ideas off each other, developing them in their own individual ways. It’s a smorgasbord out there, with scads of variety. Improves the genre. Thanks for the Gene Wolfe tip; he’s not a writer I’ve sampled much of, unless it’s anthologized short fiction. Will get into it as soon as my current Dragonriders of Pern obsession has run its course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kissdbyfire Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 I've watched the Last Watch (or whatever that's called) last night, and I have to say I was thoroughly unimpressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrypticWeirwood Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 24 minutes ago, Gendelsdottir said: I love that F&SF authors bounce ideas off each other, developing them in their own individual ways. It’s a smorgasbord out there, with scads of variety. Improves the genre. Thanks for the Gene Wolfe tip; he’s not a writer I’ve sampled much of, unless it’s anthologized short fiction. Will get into it as soon as my current Dragonriders of Pern obsession has run its course. The first book in the set is Shadow of the Torturer. He wrote all 4 of them at once before the first was published, so they make sense as a coherent whole. All told it's still under a thousand pages, so each book is short and well worth the effort. But it does make much more sense on a reread because it's full of clues you don't notice at first. You can get them a pair at a time in print. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeDoNotKneel_HailMance Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 It's over. And it was terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaapstad Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 On 6/3/2019 at 10:00 PM, divica said: But in that scenario I see jon beeing regent between 10 to 15 years until he decides to exile himself somewhere… He wouldn t abandon his (?) child to be raised by other people. Nor would he leave the realms without trying to make them a better place for the child. I think grrm has expanded the targ story so much with FaB, dunk and egg and even in asoiaf to let it end in a big tragedy without any future descendents. Even if that was his original plan... The HBO official synopsis says he is still at the NW and he is just guiding the free folk home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyinblack Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 Dragon date??? Lol The whole D and D plot line veered off course with “NURSE” from Volantis in Season 2. Rapid descent after that. Not even close to the storyline in the books Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardy the Wildling Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 7 hours ago, Kaapstad said: The HBO official synopsis says he is still at the NW and he is just guiding the free folk home. He's guiding them the wrong way, they were granted the Gift! Unless D&D believe this to be the solution to Mexicans too. Just send a hero to guide them all back to Mexico. Given they thought they were 'cool' and 'edgy' enough to write a 'what if the confederacy won' story, it wouldn't be surprising if they thought 'send them back' is the solution to xenophobia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ygrain Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 8 hours ago, ladyinblack said: The whole D and D plot line veered off course with “NURSE” from Volantis in Season 2. Don't even remind me that cringe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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