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You know this is a terrible adaptation when, despite Sansa actually has a real claim to the North, her being Queen feels like something they made up to make amends with fans after they destroyed her character. 

The idea that most people feel that the story is about who "wins" the throne is probably the biggest insult to GRRM's work, way worst than this sham of an adaptation. And the fact that the most unlikely character actually "wins" the throne is beyond words.

 

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13 minutes ago, divica said:

given these last seasons why would anyone name it a song of ice and fire?

What was the story in that book?

That was criminal. Why couldn’t the two hacks leave that be? When I saw that I absolutely lost it.

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1 minute ago, teej6 said:

So what was the third WTF moment that GRRM told these two hacks? Jon killing Dany? Or Bran the Broken becoming the King of Westeros?

It does not matter: But pick one, these are the real threat - Bronn becoming the Lord of Highgarden, Edmure thinking he could be king, or Davos revealing that the Reach is 'empty'.

Also a Stark king not ruling the North who nearly did not get elected because the his own sister had to insist that the new king give up a huge chunk of his kingdom which also happens to be HIS OWN HOME!

And by the way, it is not only the end of the Targaryen line (aside from the Targaryen-Baratheons continued through Gendry, of course) but also the end of the Stark line, since Sansa is without husband and a woman and as such unable to continue the Stark line, either.

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4 minutes ago, JonCon's Red Beard said:

You know this is a terrible adaptation when, despite Sansa actually has a real claim to the North, her being Queen feels like something they made up to make amends with fans after they destroyed her character. 

The idea that most people feel that the story is about who "wins" the throne is probably the biggest insult to GRRM's work, way worst than this sham of an adaptation. And the fact that the most unlikely character actually "wins" the throne is beyond words.

This is what counts as 'fan service' for these people. It is that ugly. But I guess there are people who like this.

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16 minutes ago, divica said:

also, why don t the lords at the dragon pit care that danny burned KL?

Seems like it was rebuilt pretty quickly 

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1 minute ago, JonCon's Red Beard said:

The idea that most people feel that the story is about who "wins" the throne is probably the biggest insult to GRRM's work, way worst than this sham of an adaptation. And the fact that the most unlikely character actually "wins" the throne is beyond words.  

But this never was the story. It never mattered who 'won': there was no winner, as it happens, but the question of who might win was always a distraction. To say that people, having thought this, felt this was what the story was about was simply to say that these people were enjoying the story and predicting or choosing the winners of a prominent battle. The books were as as fervent as the television series in encouraging this notion via misdirection and so why is it an insult that some TV show fans thought the person who sat on the throne mattered? The Iron Throne was destroyed. Nobody won it.

And you think that Bran, the most important character of the entire series, is 'the most unlikely' person to be granted power? Really?

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2 minutes ago, Lord Varys said:

And by the way, it is not only the end of the Targaryen line (aside from the Targaryen-Baratheons continued through Gendry, of course) but also the end of the Stark line, since Sansa is without husband and a woman and as such unable to continue the Stark line, either.

I remember the Stark line actually comes from a woman after a Lord only had one daughter at some point.

But then, Sansa married Ramsay WILLINGLY to avenge his family by having kids with the guy who murdered them... because... who knows?

Doesn't matter though. Sansa could just go and marry the butcher and we're supposed to expect it's all ok and people wouldn't mind that.

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1 minute ago, JonCon's Red Beard said:

I remember the Stark line actually comes from a woman after a Lord only had one daughter at some point.

But then, Sansa married Ramsay WILLINGLY to avenge his family by having kids with the guy who murdered them... because... who knows?

Doesn't matter though. Sansa could just go and marry the butcher and we're supposed to expect it's all ok and people wouldn't mind that.

The show never established stuff like that, though. And Sansa is neither married to a new guy nor is it hinted to continue her marriage with Tyrion, so it doesn't look as if the line continues. And perhaps they will introduce this elective monarchy in the North, too?

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6 minutes ago, Lord Varys said:

It does not matter: But pick one, these are the real threat - Bronn becoming the Lord of Highgarden, Edmure thinking he could be king, or Davos revealing that the Reach is 'empty'.

I really hope GRRM comes out distancing himself from this travesty. But I doubt that’s going to happen. 

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If the true North is larger than all of Westeros and Jon is kind of the unofficial king beyond the wall, isn't Jon the most powerful King?

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10 minutes ago, Toft said:

And you think that Bran, the most important character of the entire series, is 'the most unlikely' person to be granted power? Really?

Bran is going to wield great power in the books, but he'll never leave that cave. He will become a god among mortals, but he is never going to rule over them like some sort of petty monarch. That's just nonsensical. 

Edited by Lord Varys

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I took this to mean Willas gets to be king of the south and Sansa is queen or regent of the north

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No damn it, I was promised that this wouldn't be a Disney ending. Bran is king because "who better than a broken boy who's been through so much?" Sam is Archmaester when he's not even a maester with a single solitary chain? Bronn is Master of Coin because he loves money and he'll be fun on the Council? Sansa is Queen of her own kingdom but nobody else gets to rule their own kingdom except the other Stark because Yay Stark family and who are these other people anyway? The brown people were the idiot hordes, easily outwitted by the talkative cultured people? 

And the Disneyest part of it all, a little magic boy goes through hardships but wins the crown in the end. Not by...doing anything but just because he's goodest and bestest, and literally everyone agrees? Does no one wonder why he didn't try to stop genocide or..or well, do anything? 

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I liked how all the evidence that Jon killed Daenerys flew away and somehow Jon confessed to it all and every single person that was pushing him to be a king not only that but resurrecting him in Davos case turned on him the moment he was captured. Sansa : what if there is someone better, Sam with his "you were always the king" shite, where the hell did that all go to?. The only explanation for all of that nonsense would be Bran warging everyone to trick the unsullied or just for a laugh. Why in the seven hells would Edmure Tully the most dishonoured man in all of Westeros think he could weasel his way into being king. It is utter garbage

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You can just imagine the unsullied hanging around Kingslanding waiting for those two guys that escorted Jon to the wall to send a raven scroll back informing them that he did in fact actually go to castle black and didn't slaughter them and head straight to Winterfell. The idea of it all is so idiotic it makes my brain hurt. Who were those two guys? they looked like Northern soldiers. If Bran ordered them to escort Jon ,what were their orders if Jon did decided to go somewhere else? kill him? very dumb

Edited by darksellsword

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25 minutes ago, Lord Varys said:

Bran is going to wield great power in the books, but he'll never leave that cave. He will become a god among mortals, but he is never going to rule over them like some sort of petty monarch. That's just nonsensical. 

I might have misinterpreted your suggestion here. I want to hear more about your thoughts on Bran's mysterious purpose.

If I read you correctly and you are saying he's going to remain in the cave in the books, then I used to agree absolutely, pre-Hodor, but even now that I'm not so sure he needs to stay there, I do not think staying there would make it impossible for him to rule.

Warging has been underused and barely emphasised by the TV series. I feel it plays more of a part in the books. It's, to be honest, one of the main reasons, all those years ago, hearing George read out this absolutely fantastic stuff on stage, that I found the series. Why would not the 'main' character accomplish what he has to do via warging?

But if I have misunderstood you completely, as it seems I might have, do continue to explain because I am interested.

Edited by Toft
Over-excited sloppiness

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