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1 hour ago, SeanF said:

This Season was A Time for Trolls.

:bowdown::lmao::cheers::agree:

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7 hours ago, Jaime the Goldenhand said:

Drogon is enraged and directs his anger at furniture 

The saddest part is, I get the thematic symbolism they were going for here, almost makes me think they graduated eighth grade, but it's just so fucking stupid to see Drogon be like 'mother dead? DIE CHAIR!'

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Why would anyone want Bran on the throne? IDK, maybe that will happen in the book too, but in the world of the show it feels completely unearned. He played no part in the endgame, has done nothing to prove he would be a good ruler, and his 3ER powers didn't amount to shit. "But he's the keeper of all our stories" -- yeah, okay. Dorne and the Iron Islands (and probably other regions as well) would be like "Mmkay, that's nice. We're gone now."

 

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2 minutes ago, The Prince of Porne said:

Why would anyone want Bran on the throne? IDK, maybe that will happen in the book too, but in the world of the show it feels completely unearned. He played no part in the endgame, has done nothing to prove he would be a good ruler, and his 3ER powers didn't amount to shit. "But he's the keeper of all our stories" -- yeah, okay. Dorne and the Iron Islands (and probably other regions as well) would be like "Mmkay, that's nice. We're gone now."

 

He set Daenerys up to be killed, but I'm not convinced that's a qualification for the Iron Throne.

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Ok, I get the show wanted Dany to be the 'mad' Queen.

Which mad: unhinged/delusional mad or prone to momentary-lapses-of-reason/bouts-of-raging-anger mad?

Both, it looks like. I read on the forum that D&D's explaination after S5 was she lost it. Jon in this episode also thought she had temporarily lost it because of grief. 

Then we get Dany as fascist dictator (she even flew back to Dragonstone to change) - what a ridiculous scene. Then Jon confronts her in private about the dead smallfolk and she says "it was necessary" and Jon mostly stops confronting her, like the die has been cast. So, if she had said "I was angry about Rhaegal and Missandei and didn't know what I was burning", would he have backed off? She got herself killed by pretending she knew what she was doing? Sooo sad. What a moralistic tale for little girls to tell the truth. Or do not pretend to be delusional mad when you are only angry mad. Get it?

Btw, when did this delusional madness start? Was freeing slaves and fighting slavers delusional? (You can question the means of course) I'm sorry but there was 0 development here. At the beginning of S1 she rode north to defend humankind, but by beginning of S4 she is suspected of madness by her senior advisers right after they have learnt of a male heir from her family with a better claim. In S5 she confirms their suspicions and at the beginning of S6 she is Hitler. Great writing folks! Just a-mazing!

The Lannister POWs were free men who chose to fight for Cersei? LOL. Good understanding of a feudal society. 

Yeah, and once Drogon flies off the US and Dothraki have nothing going for them. They are in no position to make any demands. Jon is at best a hostage they can use to negotiate their safety.

You don't want Jon to be king? Fine, how about "attainted queen- and kin-slayers should not be king", or he turns you down.  Still better than the dross you served up. Tyrion names Bran King (ok this is like Irish and Albanach High Kings elected by lesser kings), but the North leave the Union and you are still (High-)King of the remaining Kingdoms?

:rofl:

 

Oh yeah, great subversion of the hidden Prince trope. Let's make him such a goofball that everybody just shafts him left, right and centre and he just leaves to live with Wildlings. Well done!

Good riddance with this show. There were many talented people involved (none of them writers or "show-runners") and the early seasons helped create nice visual associations for the book characters in our minds, but what a dumpster fire in the end. I feel sad for the actors.

Now, the long wait for the books continues!

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The more I think about the show the more depressed I get... 

So in the earlier eos the prob was that Danny didn t want to share power. In this ep she wants to share power but is batshit crazy... Are we seriously supposed to believe that Danny feels nothing looking at burned children? 

Then why do westerosi care about what the Unsullied want? They burned and killed everybody in KL. People should hate them and Danny... At this point they should be celebrating the fact that Jon killed Danny and be furious with the Unsullied... 

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How did anyone know that Dany was dead. There was no body, was there? Jon could have simply said she just left with Drogon.

Why didn't Drogon retaliate?

So Sansa simply declares independence and everyone is cool with it? It didn't occur to them to declare independence as well?

 

I could be wrong here, but I think Tyrion said "Ser Bron of the Blackwater, Lord of Highgarden ........". Shouldn't he be addressed as 'Lord Bron' ?

 

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Just finished the last episode. Oh my, fine to get that out of my system. It's so sad, actually, that what started as a really good TV show and story back in season 1, was to degenerate into this nonsensical mess. It's sad, because I feel as if humanity could have gotten this great work of art, but ended up with a useless piece of garbage. As if Michelangelo had painted just a quarter of the roof of the Sistine Chapel, and then had decided just to smear his own puke all over the roof, including the part of the roof he had already painted. I grieve for what could have been. And I have long ago given up hope that we will ever get the book version of the story, so well, that's that. Good riddance, GOT. Thank you for all the wasted time.

It actually got worse with each season after S 1, but of course, the fall in quality became dramatic as soon as the show overtook the books, that is, from the last episodes of season 5 actually (And of course, the Dorne plot was absolute rubbish from start to finish). And then worse and worse with each season therafter. There was no hope of a decent finale, of course, because the groundwork laid in seasons 6, 7 and the first 5 episodes of this season was so weak. But then, D & D managed to outdo themselves by how ridiculous the last episode was, at least from after Dany was killed. Their incompetence as writers really shines through in such situations, when they are to write a story about how the aftermath of such a massive incident plays out. They really have no clue how to handle and how to present such a dramatic and complicated situation.

The "Grand Council" meeting, which became kind of the event the whole series built up to, just seemed like kind of a farce, and had absolutely zero believability. One after one agree to make Bran the king of the 7 kingdoms because Tyrion, in chains, tells them to. But then Sansa asks that the North be independent, and that's fine, according to Bran. And the rest of the lords think that is no problem - we still want to be a united kingdom (as if the others kingdoms had not been independent before Aegons' conquest too, as much as the North had been, and it's not as if nobody cares to remember that Yara actually secured the Ironborns' independence back in S 6, least of all herself). And we still want A NORTHERN NOBLE, that is, from the newly independent North, to be our king. Let the Starks have their independence, and let us invite one of them to rule us as well! It's like, WHAT??? What kind of a plot and what kind of a power play was this?

I guess the only reasonable interpretation of this whole mess is that the theme of the whole story (or of the last 3 to 4 seasons) is THAT EVERY MAJOR CHARACTER IS EXTREMELY STUPID, and therefore consistently acts in nonsensical ways.

And don't get me started on the "make-up" of the "Great Council" (was Sam there because he somehow had become Grand Maester, but just hadn't gotten his Maester clothes yet, or as Lord Tarly - and if he had become Lord Tarley, why was he suddenly Grand Maester the following episode?). And why were all the Stark siblings allowed a seat and a vote (seemingly), did this apply to the other noble houses as well? Was it kind of, like, any nobleman (and woman) in Westeros could actually attend this and vote, and this bunch were all the nobles that were left or who cared to attend?

And then that Jon had to be sentenced to serve in a non-existent Night's Watch to appease the Unsullied's wrath, and then the Unsullied were going to leave Westeros anyway (because Missandei had told beatiful stories about Naath to GW, so he of course has to bring all his brothers in arms on a dangerous voyage to an unknown land instead of taking the offer of land and lordships in Westeros. But I pity the poor people of Naath who is soon going to have this army descending on them...).

And the Dothraki conviniently just ceased to exist again. Or did they accompany the Unsullied to Naath? And if so, why? Well, I guess the people of Naath has much to look forward to.

And so on, and so on. Almost no single piece of the story told in the last episode made any sense. But I guess it doesn't matter because it all built up to having Bronn and Sam together on the small council, with Bronn arguing with Sam about whether to use public money on the rebuilding of the brothels. HAHAHAHA, it's so funny, Bronn has become master of coin and wants to use public money on subsidizing businesses where women can eke out a living selling their bodies to men. HAHAHAHA, oh Bronn, you're the best, you crack me up. So great that the whole series, who many have hailed for supposedly portraying strong women,  built up to that epic moment.

And so on, and so on. There is so much which could be said, but when all is said and done, the sad conclusion is that what could have been a great work of art (based on S 1 and the source material) ended up as worthless soap opera garbage.

But whatever. We still have Shakespeare, Tolkien, Eurypides. The Wire, Sopranos, The Americans. Great stories by great writers! Something you never were, and probably never will be, D and D. Thank you and goodbye!

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5 minutes ago, athmystikal said:

How did anyone know that Dany was dead. There was no body, was there? Jon could have simply said she just left with Drogon.

The lad's honest to a fault. You may have noticed.

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7 hours ago, Jaime the Goldenhand said:

So,

- How does Bran have a better story than everyone else and how is him being a magical telepath who studied under a blackfire north of the wall going to be a story that the masses of Westeros get on board with

 

 

 

Bloodraven was never a blackfyre, but rather the opposite, or did I understand you blackfyre reference wrong?

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How did Jon know what Dany was saying during her speech? He learned both Dothraki and High Valaryian since he met Dany? Quite the multitasker. Just one detail of many that bothered me.

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5 minutes ago, athmystikal said:

Good point.

It makes no sense for him to deliver himself to the Unsullied... They have no authority to judge him... And they would just kill him... 

He should just have ran away... Hell, as far as he knows with Danny's death there will be chaos with the dothriaki and Unsullied killing whoever they want... He should be worried about his troops and his sisters... Letting himself be captured solves nothing... 

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After 25 years since the books were started, 8 seasons of the show and a ridiculous amount of time spent on conjecture on this story, death of characters we loved, death of characters we hated, and all the hype if this is indeed the ending George R R 
Martin really intended then just wow... What a complete waste of time! As an avid viewer and book reader I feel more than a little bit cheated. The ending we deserved was an epic overthrow by Jon and the Northmen and Greyworm and the Unsullied put to death and Jon as the rightful king and last Targaryen mounting Drogon and claiming the Irone Throne after killing the Mad Queen. Or we 
even deserved the ending that she realizes what horrible thing she's just done in a moment of madness, begs Jon's forgiveness they vow to rule the 7 Kingdoms together wisely and live happily ever after. BTW, I'm sure the Unsullied and Dothraki are both some type of rapidly multiplying microorganisms that if you kill one 2 appear in its place otherwise how can there be so many of them after being completely decimated at Winterfell and taking further losses at Kings Landing? Bran as king? REALLY? Why didn't we choose someone more worthy like Hotpie or Sweet Robin of the Vale or one of the direwolfs? smfh I am in mourning that this is the ending of what was shaping up to be my all time favorite TV/book series. It's like Return of the Jedi ending with the Emporer calling off the attack on the rebel fleet, meeting with the rebel leaders on Endor, restoring the Republic and making one of the fucking EWOKS chancellor! Speaking of StarWars Dumb and Dumber are committing the next set of atrocities to it next and must be stopped!

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6 hours ago, JonCon's Red Beard said:

They still can just stab him. It's not like he goes around reading everybody's mind.

 

Forget stabbing...just give his wheelchair a nice shove into the Blackwater. Easiest assassination ever.

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7 hours ago, JonCon's Red Beard said:

I'm quite sure he's very happy right now...

I'm still waiting for the book announcement.  "Now for the real ending..."  The promotional material practically writes itself!

P.S.  Nice to see you back ^_^

 

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Why would Bran even need a master of Whisperers?

Jon being sent back to the Nights Watch is ridiculous. What are they supposed to defend against now? The Others are destroyed, the wildlings are no longer a problem. I suppose GRRM told D&D that, Jon ends up back in the NW, but they did not know how; so they just forced it into the script.

 

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48 minutes ago, divica said:

The more I think about the show the more depressed I get... 

So in the earlier eos the prob was that Danny didn t want to share power. In this ep she wants to share power but is batshit crazy... Are we seriously supposed to believe that Danny feels nothing looking at burned children? 

Then why do westerosi care about what the Unsullied want? They burned and killed everybody in KL. People should hate them and Danny... At this point they should be celebrating the fact that Jon killed Danny and be furious with the Unsullied... 

I don't get this either - surely the westorosi should be pleased jon killed the viscous dictator?

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I thought the Jon - Drogon interaction and Drogon's burning the throne was okay and I see what they were going for there, but I would have preferred either of those:

a) Drogon tries to roast Jon, but he turns out to be immune, mounts him, destroys the unsullied and dothrakii and becomes king. (fanservicy ending)

b) Drogon just kills Jon. (realistic)

Things which I thought didn't make sense:

-Last episode Arya rides towards the sunset, now suddenly she's in the middle of things again

-Was it supposed to be ash or snow falling on everyone's heads? If it's ash, it continued for an oddly long time, if it's snow, it went away somewhat quickly.

-It looked as if the whole castle fell on Cersei and Jaime's heads, but it turns out they were barely covered with small stones, and also, if they stood 3 steps to the left they would have survived

-Jon walking for half the episode, completely alone. Where were his men? Didn't he bring the northmen to fight? It was just him, Davos and Tyrion. The whole episode it felt like he has no allies there, while he should have an actual army with him.

-Jon allowed to see Tyrion before his execution without supervision

-Greyworm and the Unsullied suddenly behaving in a somewhat reasonable manner after Dany's death instead of just going on a murderous rampage. Either they are reasonable and in that case they should be okay with what Jon did, or they aren't, in which case they should just take the power for themselves.

-Random dudes at the "voting". Brienne and Davos have no business being there at the very least, possibly Sam too. Also, who was that guy who tried to win everyone over with his speech? Never seen him again, like half of those people there.

-Tyrion, who was to be executed for treason, proposes a king and everyone listens to him and agrees

-Wasn't Bran supposed to no longer be Bran and be above manly things and all that? Suddenly he's Bran again and he wants to be King.

-Jon goes to the wall, the north belongs to the Starks, why won't they just allow him to go back to Winterfell after he reaches the wall? The wall is basically an independent Kingdom now.

-Arya doesn't make sense, but I guess there's no job for her in the new lovey-dovey Westeros. They completely dropped her assassin plot (save for her killing the NK, but that didn't even utilise the somewhat cool face-stealing no jutsu).

-Sam might be my most hated character in the show after all is said and done. Now he also becomes maester, while having no right to be one. He's a cowardly, dirty, backstabbing trash in the show. I don't remember this being the case in the books but it's been a while since I read them to be honest. He's basically Qyburn 2.0 now, or worse.

-Bronn even being in the council

-Bran spends 10 seconds at the meeting and leaves. Not sure what that was all about. Pretty disrespectful.

This all mostly just gave me a good laugh as I haven't been treating the show seriously for a while. I consider it an alternative universe version of the story. Hopefully we get a better ending in the books.

Edited by Azerate

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