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Okay so here's a theory...

They got GRR Martin's ending mixed up.

It was Sam who was supposed to end up on the throne and Bran who was supposed to end up as Grand Maester.

Sam steps forward in front of the lords and says:
"I have an idea. Let everyone decide."
The lords:
"Good idea. We need someone with good ideas as king. Congrats, you're king now."

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6 hours ago, tallTale said:

Basic rule of story telling: you either have a happy ending , or you have a tragedy. Try to do both and you get something unfulfilling, which is exactly what we got.

Erm... Breaking Bad?

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1 minute ago, Bambi said:

Erm... Breaking Bad?

That was never a happy ending.  it was a fitting ending.

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10 minutes ago, athmystikal said:

Why would Bran even need a master of Whisperers?

Jon being sent back to the Nights Watch is ridiculous. What are they supposed to defend against now? The Others are destroyed, the wildlings are no longer a problem. I suppose GRRM told D&D that, Jon ends up back in the NW, but they did not know how; so they just forced it into the script.

 

It is worse! He is sentenced to the NW but then leaves with the wildlings? Is escorting them? In the books why would the wildlings return north when they at least have the gift and support from karhold? 

Jon entire story is sad, depressing and pointless. He finishes where he started and now doesn t even have a goal... 

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7 hours ago, The One Who Kneels said:

The High Septon secretly annulled it. 

Yup. Off screen, obviously. 

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So a prisoner gets to give a speech that will decide the next ruler.

The Starks somehow get to bring three people in to the same decision making process, despite at least two of them holding no power at all. Sansa is then allowed to interrupt other people's declaration for the Throne.

Arya is now threatening to cut powerful people's throats in front of audiences of other powerful people. Faceless Men are shit at the whole assassin thing.

Davos legitimately offers some eunuchs the chance to go start their own house.

Somehow Sam is there despite being in the NW therefore having no power whatsoever.

They elect the biggest weirdo they can find.

Sansa then just decides the North is no longer part of the kingdom and is allowed to do this. No one else bothers to claim their own independence.

They send Jon, who should by all rights be dead, back to the NW. For what? There's a giant fucking hole in the wall, the WW are dead and the Free Folk are all south of the fall. Of course we all know no one in Westeros understands the idea of getting behind walls anyway.

What in the name of fuck was that scene? It's only topped by Bronn being master of coin.

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27 minutes ago, Azerate said:

Things which I thought didn't make sense:

-Last episode Arya rides towards the sunset, now suddenly she's in the middle of things again

Agreed. That didn't seem right. Kinda made the ending of E5 seem meaningless.

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38 minutes ago, divica said:

It is worse! He is sentenced to the NW but then leaves with the wildlings? Is escorting them? In the books why would the wildlings return north when they at least have the gift and support from karhold? 

Jon entire story is sad, depressing and pointless. He finishes where he started and now doesn t even have a goal... 

I think they just told Grey Worm that to placate him, thinking (rightly) that he wouldn't know the difference. So then when Jon gets to the Wall and there's nothing left to defend, he goes native. He was always more at home with the wildlings than anywhere else anyway. 

 

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As for Jon going north, if we read Bran as a manipulating character obsessed with power, then he would send Jon north and tell him never to return because of Jon's claim to the throne.

(I don't think this is how we're meant to perceive the ending, but since there are no more episodes, we are free to read into it whatever we want.)

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3 minutes ago, Ice Queen said:

I think they just told Grey Worm that to placate him, thinking (rightly) that he wouldn't know the difference. So then when Jon gets to the Wall and there's nothing left to defend, he goes native. He was always more at home with the wildlings than anywhere else anyway. 

 

I have no idea where that idea came from. In both books and show jon was mostly miserable with the wildlings because he was lying to them the whole time and trying to protect his vows...

Hell, the wildlings can be canibals, rapists, murderers… Just because the show withewashed them only focusing in tormund since s6/7  doesn t make them good people...

Besides, do you see how miserable the wildlings look all the time?

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Was that winter, that's been coming for a decade, over in a no time at all.

And the idea that Jon survives the wrath of Dothraki and Unsullied, who a scene ago were shown rapturously worshipping Dany is absurd.

Which reminds me - where were the Dothraki ? Off to Naath too ? 

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The only thing I really have to say about this is:

"Well....that was 80 minutes of...stuff..."

Like it wasn't even entertaining.

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2 minutes ago, divica said:

I have no idea where that idea came from. In both books and show jon was mostly miserable with the wildlings because he was lying to them the whole time and trying to protect his vows...

Hell, the wildlings can be canibals, rapists, murderers… Just because the show withewashed them only focusing in tormund since s6/7  doesn t make them good people...

Besides, do you see how miserable the wildlings look all the time?

And yet, he was happy with Ygritte. And Tormund and the wildlings believed in him when his own people stabbed him to death. 

Jon was miserable because he was lying, yes, but he envied the wildlings their freedom and could completely understand why Mance left the NW to join them. He wanted to do the same. 

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Who the hell were these people in the "Great"  council? There were three of them I didn't recognise and were never introduced. Did I forget them or did Dumb and Dumber just put some new random people there? 

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What do we make of Dany's imperial speech?

I mean, in the books she should already have that empire by the point she comes to Westeros, no? She will have Slaver's Bay (or what's left thereof), she hopefully will have destroyed Qarth (which doesn't need destruction or conquest in the show, considering it is a place without money or rulers there), and she will have ended slavery in all the Free Cities who keep slaves.

In that sense, this entire prospect of there being more problematic war wouldn't make sense in the books, no?

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