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4 hours ago, MinscS2 said:

Just when you think that no (alternative) ending would've been worse than the one we actually got...

Jorah would *never* betray Daenerys, not even to save the entire world.
The fact that D&D even considered this at one point...well it really doesn't surprise me I guess.

I could see a scenario where Jorah could be the one to kill her, in fact, as a mercy killing, for sure, but not otherwise.

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I'm not adverse to Jorah turning on Dany, either - at that point, she was no longer the woman he had fallen for so hard, she was someone else. Killing her would be an act of love, not letting her become something terrible. 

Plus, the alternate ending video I watched claimed that Missandei had intended to leave and Jorah started to oppose Dany's decisions, which contributed to her feeling that everyone was abandoning and/or betraying her. Which would help build up her going over the edge and hopefully give it more credibility. 

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2 hours ago, Ygrain said:

I'm not adverse to Jorah turning on Dany, either - at that point, she was no longer the woman he had fallen for so hard, she was someone else. Killing her would be an act of love, not letting her become something terrible. 

Plus, the alternate ending video I watched claimed that Missandei had intended to leave and Jorah started to oppose Dany's decisions, which contributed to her feeling that everyone was abandoning and/or betraying her. Which would help build up her going over the edge and hopefully give it more credibility. 

But... but... but... that wouldn’t be OMFG SO SHOCKING DIDN'T SEE IT COMING!!! 

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Wait... is he serious?

“For a long time we wanted Ser Jorah to be there at The Wall in the end,” writer Dave Hill says. “The three coming out of the tunnel would be Jon and Jorah and Tormund. But the amount to logic we’d have to bend to get Jorah up to The Wall and get him to leave Dany’s side right before [the events in the finale] … there’s no way to do that blithely. And Jorah should have the noble death he craves defending the woman he loves.”

Really? REALLY? That would have required bending logic??????? 

:lol:

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On 5/21/2019 at 12:12 PM, Herthallen said:

- Snow in King's Landing, who would have thought we would actually see that, I forgot that it was actually WINTER. Oh nevermind, just a passing temperature change, it's sunny already.

- Remember when King's Landing turned into ash? Like in last episode? I think D&D forgot, because everything looks pretty much rebuilt by the end of the episode.

Also, a few weeks after the city was razed to the ground and its inhabitants slaughtered, Dothraki just strolling around an intact KL port chatting like a pair of Braavosi merchants. That cracked me up when I watched the episode.

That makes sense. Totally.

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13 hours ago, kissdbyfire said:

Shouldn’t a stand up routine be funny though? Cuz that scene was actually tragic.

Mark Twain said as part of his scathing critique of the Deerslayer novels that a sign of bad writing was when tragedy is comical and comedy is tragic. 

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1 hour ago, kissdbyfire said:

Wait... is he serious?

“For a long time we wanted Ser Jorah to be there at The Wall in the end,” writer Dave Hill says. “The three coming out of the tunnel would be Jon and Jorah and Tormund. But the amount to logic we’d have to bend to get Jorah up to The Wall and get him to leave Dany’s side right before [the events in the finale] … there’s no way to do that blithely. And Jorah should have the noble death he craves defending the woman he loves.”

Really? REALLY? That would have required bending logic??????? 

:lol:

How can we read something like that and accept that this ending is similar to grrm's ending? 

And Jorah would be leaving with the wildlings instead of staying in the NW why? Or are they just escorting the wildlings and then they return? 

Because in the books Jorah ending up as the 1000th lord commander is a perfect ending for him given the story between him and his father. 

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46 minutes ago, Beardy the Wildling said:

Mark Twain said as part of his scathing critique of the Deerslayer novels that a sign of bad writing was when tragedy is comical and comedy is tragic. 

Makes sense when you can't unsee the multitude of memes.

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12 minutes ago, divica said:

How can we read something like that and accept that this ending is similar to grrm's ending? 

And Jorah would be leaving with the wildlings instead of staying in the NW why? Or are they just escorting the wildlings and then they return? 

Because in the books Jorah ending up as the 1000th lord commander is a perfect ending for him given the story between him and his father. 

in some ways it might have been better for jorah to kill dany...jon taking drogon and being revealed as the heir.  then jon heads off on drogon with dany to?

 

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6 hours ago, Ygrain said:

Now that's a thing I could rant about for days. 

Those idiots apparently think that being a strong wahman equals to throwing around such lines with a deadpan expression. No, it doesn't. It makes you someone broken on the inside whose harsh lessons apparently taught you nothing about wisdom and compassion, you're just showing the world all those huge scars turned stone while you're hollow on the inside. That's not strength, that's actually weakness.

Plus, they rinse and repeat this stuff with all the major female characters - Sansa, Dany and Arya are freely interchangeable most of the time, as if cast out of the same mold. Really awesome writing there, a pinnacle of characterisation. :ack:

I'm not a Sansa fan, but what they did to her character was just insane.  If she has to turn into a manipulative schemer, at least she needed to keep the veneer of politeness that was always Sansa's strength and shield.  Having her tell her mother's brother whose been a cell for years to STFU instead of saying something diplomatic was emblematic of the show's inability to see a woman in power who doesn't act like a rude jerk.  Sansa has been incredibly rude to almost everyone since she got to Winterfell, rude when politeness would have been a much better strategy.  Arya, sure, it's totally in character for her to threaten to slit someone's throat in a meeting, that's who she has always been.  They did the same thing with Brienne, making her super rude to Pod for no reason except they can't seem to write strong women who aren't bitches.  Sad.

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21 minutes ago, It_spelt_Magalhaes said:

Makes sense when you can't unsee the multitude of memes.

Well, I mean, the final season of Game of Thrones captures it perfectly:

'Tragedy': Jon stabbing Daenerys while saying 'Yoo will alwes be McQueen', Drogon seeing his dead mother, and as a result, burning an indirectly related spiky chair.

'Comedy': Tyrion replying to Varys regarding his hypocrisy with dwarf jokes versus eunuch jokes with 'that's because you have no cock'.

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22 minutes ago, Sir Hedge of Hog said:

in some ways it might have been better for jorah to kill dany...jon taking drogon and being revealed as the heir.  then jon heads off on drogon with dany to?

 

I would like that. The last targs and dragon leave westeros to somewhere unknown and become legends in the eyes of the people. They could even end up the series with danny opening her eyes...

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17 hours ago, Corvinus said:

Phew, it turns out the writers do have limits.

:lol:

“The three coming out of the tunnel would be Jon and Jorah and Tormund. But the amount of logic we’d have to bend to get Jorah up to the Wall and get him to leave Dany’s side right before [the events of the finale]…there’s no way to do that blithely. And Jorah should have the noble death he craves defending the woman he loves.”

 

Ha, so they ARE concerned about logic in the show. They could have fooled me with what they did the last few seasons.

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11 minutes ago, Beardy the Wildling said:

Well, I mean, the final season of Game of Thrones captures it perfectly:

'Tragedy': Jon stabbing Daenerys while saying 'Yoo will alwes be McQueen', Drogon seeing his dead mother, and as a result, burning an indirectly related spiky chair.

'Comedy': Tyrion replying to Varys regarding his hypocrisy with dwarf jokes versus eunuch jokes with 'that's because you have no cock'.

Yep.

The memes they sold us as the actual show.

The internet just picked up the gauntlet.

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15 minutes ago, Cas Stark said:

I'm not a Sansa fan, but what they did to her character was just insane.  If she has to turn into a manipulative schemer, at least she needed to keep the veneer of politeness that was always Sansa's strength and shield.  Having her tell her mother's brother whose been a cell for years to STFU instead of saying something diplomatic was emblematic of the show's inability to see a woman in power who doesn't act like a rude jerk.  Sansa has been incredibly rude to almost everyone since she got to Winterfell, rude when politeness would have been a much better strategy.  Arya, sure, it's totally in character for her to threaten to slit someone's throat in a meeting, that's who she has always been.  They did the same thing with Brienne, making her super rude to Pod for no reason except they can't seem to write strong women who aren't bitches.  Sad.

Given sansa's last seasons I don t know how anyone can be a sansa fan… She seems like one of those characters that lost her story and D&D didn t know what to do with her…

It is amazing how it would make much more sense for sansa to have political power in the vale to justify their continuous presence in winterfell and that she could have heard bad rumours about danny and that she has a problem with danny because of them...

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1 minute ago, divica said:

heard bad rumours about danny and that she has a problem with danny because of them...

Yeah, that's likely going to be the case with Arianne it looks like, it's far subtler and more realistic when you have lack of correct information and different perceptions affecting the story.

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