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2 hours ago, Ygrain said:

My bad, I didn't express myself clearly - adding STUPID stuff. Pigwolf attack so that yet another fucking character is presumed dead for a while? Last defence behind the last door both in TTT and RotK? Denethor eating like a pig while Faramir leads a totally useless frontal attack? Orcs rowing quietly so as not to be heard, while carrying torches which everyone can see for miles? Dragging Frodo and Sam to Osgiliath, so that Faramir could have his revelation moment among cool ruins? The lembas scheme and "Sam, go home"?

Those are not quite as bad as what GoT did, but they sure make my brain hurt.

Oh, there are inconsistencies in LotR, only less obvious. Remember Arwen the warrior princess in FotR, only to become a fragile damsel fading out because reasons? Gondor with zero prominent characters and everyone totally cool with Denethor not doing a shit to defend the city, as if they couldn't pull the same what they had done with Rohan? Orcs suddenly becoming Chernobyl survivors? Elrond teleporting to deliver Aragorn Andúril?

From time to time, I find myself asking "am I the idiot, here? " when I complain about an adaptation of a book I love, which is riddled with plot holes, total misunderstanding of the characters, and a preference for shocks over character development.  It's a relief to know others feel the first way.

I thought Season 7 was mediocre, but almost to the end, I hoped  D & D would rise to the challenge of doing Season 8, but they gave us a shit sandwich.

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13 minutes ago, teej6 said:

@Ygrain completely agree with you on LotR. I liked the first movie. I can’t remember the second and the third was awful.

I wish I could forget it, as well, that's where the major facepalms started. Gandalf the plastic surgeon restoring Theoden, Éomer the idiot failing to recognize that dead hobbits would be easily recognizable from dead orcs, thus creating a false drama, Ents not knowing what was going on in their backyard, Aragorn prompting Legolas to shoot at an old man (alright, at least the films were consistent here letting him ponder breaking his word and attacking an envoy - wow, what a king), Éowyn the babysitter, shieldskating Legolas....

Don't hate me for reminding you, please.

13 minutes ago, teej6 said:

Peter Jackson is probably better than D&D but he isn’t an auteur or great filmmaker. His achievement is in that he adapted a loved and well-read set of books into visually captivating movies.

I guess PJ must be a relation of Saruman's, captivating with images instead of voice.

13 minutes ago, teej6 said:

IIRC, the estate of Tolkien did not like Jackson’s movies and Tolkien’s son (who was his heir and completely the Silmarillion after Tolkien’s death) hated Jackson’s interpretation and thought Jackson had ruined his father’s legacy by making his father’s books into mere action movies. He has since refused to allow Jackson to adapt the Silmarillion. 

Bless the man.

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2 minutes ago, Ygrain said:

I wish I could forget it, as well, that's where the major facepalms started. Gandalf the plastic surgeon restoring Theoden, Éomer the idiot failing to recognize that dead hobbits would be easily recognizable from dead orcs, thus creating a false drama, Ents not knowing what was going on in their backyard, Aragorn prompting Legolas to shoot at an old man (alright, at least the films were consistent here letting him ponder breaking his word and attacking an envoy - wow, what a king), Éowyn the babysitter, shieldskating Legolas....

Don't hate me for reminding you, please.

I guess PJ must be a relation of Saruman's, captivating with images instead of voice.

Bless the man.

They have many faults, but in fairness, I enjoyed them up till the Battle of Minas Tirith, when Aragorn wiped out the army of Mordor with the aid of the green soap bubbles of death, making the Riders of Rohan pointless - and then the film dived off a cliff.

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3 minutes ago, It_spelt_Magalhaes said:

Yeah. 

Beren and Luthien stopping mid Silmarillion heist to get it on doggy style.

Could be worse, right?

That's the D & D version.

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Just now, SeanF said:

They have many faults, but in fairness, I enjoyed them up till the Battle of Minas Tirith, when Aragorn wiped out the army of Mordor with the aid of the green soap bubbles of death, making the Riders of Rohan pointless - and then the film dived off a cliff.

And then they magically disappeared instead of staying just a little longer to clean up Mordor itself.....

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8 minutes ago, SeanF said:

From time to time, I find myself asking "am I the idiot, here? " when I complain about an adaptation of a book I love, which is riddled with plot holes, total misunderstanding of the characters, and a preference for shocks over character development.  It's a relief to know others feel the first way.

Well, yeah, I am mostly alone in this department, as well. Though, with The Hobbit, people are beginning to see the light.

8 minutes ago, SeanF said:

I thought Season 7 was mediocre, but almost to the end, I hoped  D & D would rise to the challenge of doing Season 8, but they gave us a shit sandwich.

I'll never understand why they felt the need to wrap it all so fast, and if they were fed up with it, why they didn't let someone else take over the writing.

 

2 minutes ago, It_spelt_Magalhaes said:

Beren and Luthien stopping mid Silmarillion heist to get it on doggy style.

Now you've reminded me of a fan-made musical where the two can't get a moment for themselves because Huan the Hound keeps pestering them to play fetch or be petted and the like :D

 

1 minute ago, SeanF said:

They have many faults, but in fairness, I enjoyed them up till the Battle of Minas Tirith, when Aragorn wiped out the army of Mordor with the aid of the green soap bubbles of death, making the Riders of Rohan pointless - and then the film dived off a cliff.

We call that gooseberry jelly around here :D

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14 minutes ago, SeanF said:

They have many faults, but in fairness, I enjoyed them up till the Battle of Minas Tirith, when Aragorn wiped out the army of Mordor with the aid of the green soap bubbles of death, making the Riders of Rohan pointless - and then the film dived off a cliff.

It's foreshadowing for the nerve of D&D?

They had Gimli ask the obvious question and everything.

Hey, bro, why didn't you keep them around in case the other two idiots fuck it up, eh?

Sigh.

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2 minutes ago, Ygrain said:

I'll never understand why they felt the need to wrap it all so fast, and if they were fed up with it, why they didn't let someone else take over the writing.

It’s probably a mix of ego, arrogance, and spite at GRRM and the fans. I say spite at GRRM because I’m sure they imagined Martin completing the books by the time they caught up. When they knew that wouldn’t happen and probably couldn’t get much out of Martin as to how things would progress or end (my assumption), they probably gave up and said eff it. They then decided to let it crash and burn and rightly assumed that the unsullied audience (including the so called critics) would be none the wiser and would lap up anything that had dragons, big battles, scenes with nudity and obscene jokes. I don’t know about Weiss, but Benioff adapted the screenplay for Kite Runner, which I though was fairly good. Although his Troy script had several of the samr cringe inducing dialogue we saw on GoT. 

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1 minute ago, teej6 said:

It’s probably a mix of ego, arrogance, and spite at GRRM and the fans. I say spite at GRRM because I’m sure they imagined Martin completing the books by the time they caught up. When they knew that wouldn’t happen and probably couldn’t get much out of Martin as to how things would progress or end (my assumption), they probably gave up and said eff it. They then decided to let it crash and burn and rightly assumed that the unsullied audience (including the so called critics) would be none the wiser and would lap up anything that had dragons, big battles, scenes with nudity and obscene jokes. I don’t know about Weiss, but Benioff adapted the screenplay for Kite Runner, which I though was fairly good. Although his Troy script had several of the samr cringe inducing dialogue we saw on GoT. 

Didn't know the spectre of D&D cast that shadow as well. 

Some genius had to decide to turn Achilles into a romantic hero. Ffs

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3 minutes ago, teej6 said:

Although his Troy script had several of the samr cringe inducing dialogue we saw on GoT. 

Omg, yes :bang:

"Too early in the morning to kill princes" and lets Hector return to Troy, wtf.

Oh and Menelaus dies at the beginning of the war :lmao:

 

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7 minutes ago, teej6 said:

Although his Troy script had several of the samr cringe inducing dialogue we saw on GoT. 

That might be the reason why I stopped watching after like 15 minutes...

Though, to be fair to him, I yet have to see a good adaptation of the Greek myths (though I still enjoy the old Clash of the Titans).

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I had many issues w/ the LotR films. Many things I didn’t like, or didn’t agree with. But there’s two very big differences between GoT and the LotR films for me. 

1. With Jackson’s films I can sort of turn off the comparison and enjoy the films. If I manage to forget the books, not something I succeed at doing all the time, I find the films quite enjoyable. 

2. Peter Jackson may have got a LOT “wrong”, and may have left things I would rather he’d kept, and I may not agree w/ the way he interpreted/portrayed a bunch of stuff. All that said, he showed a lot of respect for Tolkien and for the books. He insisted on everyone reading the books, they had many conversations about it, etc. Whereas David and Dan explicitly discouraged actors from reading the novels. Remember Iain Glen saying their eyes would “glaze over” whenever anyone mentioned the books? So, yeah. Give me PJ over David and Dan any day of the week and twice on sundays. :D

 

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1 minute ago, kissdbyfire said:

I had many issues w/ the LotR films. Many things I didn’t like, or didn’t agree with. But there’s two very big differences between GoT and the LotR films for me. 

1. With Jackson’s films I can sort of turn off the comparison and enjoy the films. If I manage to forget the books, not something I succeed at doing all the time, I find the films quite enjoyable. 

2. Peter Jackson may have got a LOT “wrong”, and may have left things I would rather he’d kept, and I may not agree w/ the way he interpreted/portrayed a bunch of stuff. All that said, he showed a lot of respect for Tolkien and for the books. He insisted on everyone reading the books, they had many conversations about it, etc. Whereas David and Dan explicitly discouraged actors from reading the novels. Remember Iain Glen saying their eyes would “glaze over” whenever anyone mentioned the books? So, yeah. Give me PJ over David and Dan any day of the week and twice on sundays. :D

 

It'd be sacrilegous to think they can compare. 

The allegory spawned from a comment by Charles Dance and derrailed completely.

I have the extended edition dvds and marathoned the three movies more than once.

Will I put myself through the torture of rewatching GoT?

Big N. Big O. NO.

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7 minutes ago, kissdbyfire said:

Whereas David and Dan explicitly discouraged actors from reading the novels. Remember Iain Glen saying their eyes would “glaze over” whenever anyone mentioned the books?

Didn't know that one - seems like their relationship with GRRM went sour.

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12 minutes ago, It_spelt_Magalhaes said:

It'd be sacrilegous to think they can compare. 

The allegory spawned from a comment by Charles Dance and derrailed completely.

I have the extended edition dvds and marathoned the three movies more than once.

Will I put myself through the torture of rewatching GoT?

Big N. Big O. NO.

Rewatching GoT? Nah, give me root canal w/o drugs. 

9 minutes ago, Ygrain said:

Didn't know that one - seems like their relationship with GRRM went sour.

That’s old-ish. Like series 5 or thereabouts. There’s plenty others, too. Gwen said something too, but I'm fuzzy on the details. IIRC, she kept bringing the books up as an argument when talking to David and Dan about Brienne’s character, and at one point they told her to forget the books or something to that effect. 

Can’t you just picture it though?

G - But... but... Brienne is not a brute monster, she has a journey, and her development as a character...

D&D - :rolleyes:

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10 minutes ago, Ygrain said:

Didn't know that one - seems like their relationship with GRRM went sour.

IMHO, they think they can come up with better storylines than GRRM, hence Sansa marrying Ramsay, Dany turning into the madwoman in the attic in three weeks, Porne, the Wight hunt, the characters teleporting across Westeros, the regenerating Unsullied, St. Tyrion etc.

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1 minute ago, SeanF said:

IMHO, they think they can come up with better storylines than GRRM, hence Sansa marrying Ramsay, Dany turning into the madwoman in the attic in three weeks, Porne, the Wight hunt, the characters teleporting across Westeros, the regenerating Unsullied, St. Tyrion etc.

So maybe they should go write novela scripts, the good venezuelan ones from the early nineties.

The heroine would have an accident and loose her memory, go blind or paralyzed. Then her partner, not the friendzoned suspected brother...

Wait...

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Here’s the Iain Glen interview.

As time goes by, more and more of the Game of Thrones cast are admitting they haven’t read the novels (written by George RR Martin) that the HBO series is based on.

But according to cast member Iain Glen, it’s not necessarily a decision they come to on their own – in fact, actors in the series are encouraged by showrunners David Benioff and DB Weiss to avoid the source material .

“I don’t read the books,” Glen told RadioTimes.com. “I read the first one when they gave me the job, just to get a feel from it and a synopsis breakdown of what was going to happen to the character.

But beyond that, the writers themselves, David and Dan, they didn’t particularly want actors coming to the scripts from the book, always suggesting what the book did and how it was different – I could see the glazed look in their eyes when that happened.”

He concluded: “They were quite happy for us to move forward and treat them as screenplays with no history, so that’s the reason why I only ever read the first novel.”

 

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