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9 hours ago, House Cambodia said:

Here's an argument many of you will enjoy - just look at the title!

I regard the article as a bit scurrilous - clickbait if you will, but in a good way - it keeps the argument alive and moves it forward with legitimate arguments.

Daenerys was right: King’s Landing had to burn

:ack:

Burning the whole defending army and the Red Keep telegraphed her resolution to burn any opposition just fine. Burning her subjects left and right was superfluous. Plus, if it was a decided upon strategy which Dany merely failed to communicate to her subordinates, she failed to communicated it to the audience, as well.

Oh, and I find it funny that on the one hand, the author quotes the books to support their argument that the Stark rule over the North was weak, yet on the other hand makes ridiculous claims like "Robert's rebellion was over fake news" or "it is unclear to what extent Aerys was really mad" as if they never read the books.

 

21 minutes ago, Kaapstad said:

It speaks volumes about D&D’s writing that I felt empty when Jon killed Dany. Even when Jon gets exiled the farewells are sad but kinda normal by video games and movie standards. On the other hand, I just can’t rewatch Ned Stark’s death or the Red Wedding without getting punched in the gut. I felt zero satisfaction when they killed the Night King. On the other hand, I get sadistic pleasure watching Joffrey die and Ramsay getting eaten by his own hands. I really hope this travesty gives GRRM the kick he needs to write the books fast. He can’t publicly speak about it but he must be enraged seeing how they butchered his life’s work. 

Very much true. The final season had zero emotional impact, minus the annoyance at its stupidity.

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15 hours ago, kissdbyfire said:

Oi! The Conan films are awesome! :fencing:

In a super cheesy and hilarious way, but still...

GoT wishes it could lick the soles of Conan’s boots. :P

:D

To be fair I really liked them at the time as well, even if that was really sooooo long ago.

They are easy and uncomplicated, tell you straight up what to expect and deliver exactly on those lines. Good honest, cinema I suppose.

GOT should have tried that formula from the beginning as well.

Look here are Tyrion and Bron, don't y'all love them, so smart. And then you have Brienne and Davos, boring, but they're the good guys. Oh, that's Arya, she's uber cool - girl power! And Sansa, even smarter than Tyrion, woooaaaa. That Jon over there? Yeah, don't mind him too much, he's really dumb, but stuff just keeps happening when he's there y'know? He and Ghost are like Shaggy and Scooby Doo. And like any Scooby story, you'll never guess who da villain is! No, really!

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5 minutes ago, Ser Hedge said:

He and Ghost are like Shaggy and Scooby Doo. And like any Scooby story, you'll never guess who da villain is! No, really

Cartoon villain!Daenerys, she of the grizzly crazy woman hairdo, bitching 'I would've done it if it weren't for those meddling Stark kids!' before Shaggy shanks her.

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Just watched Morgan Freeman's GoT recap.

The Jerry Springer comparison for the first episode of the season set the tone.

After the spit take I was like, seven hells, the man is right!

Stupid superficial and trashy!

Perfect mass directed crap.

It'll be a hit for the ages!

 

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35 minutes ago, It_spelt_Magalhaes said:

 

Just watched Morgan Freeman's GoT recap.

 

 

Aw, thank you! 

“Wish she’d killed off that little creepy raven boy, though, but you can’t always have what you want in life”. Great minds think alike :D

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18 hours ago, kissdbyfire said:

Oi! The Conan films are awesome! :fencing:

In a super cheesy and hilarious way, but still...

GoT wishes it could lick the soles of Conan’s boots. :P

And did I just see Dance on the Godzilla trailer? Saying 'Long live the King', no less?

I guess like us he just needed some clarification as to the show he was a part of?

The old Conan movies were awesome.

The other day a Basil Poledouris track randomly dropped into my Spotify and I grinned like an idiot.

Grace Jones was the bomb.

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1 hour ago, hewman said:

Aw, thank you! 

“Wish she’d killed off that little creepy raven boy, though, but you can’t always have what you want in life”. Great minds think alike :D

Amen to that.

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Quoting from the Rate Poll thread, but ranting in here:

On 5/23/2019 at 9:13 PM, ToddDavid said:

(snip).  The Long Night alone had already occupied 11 weeks of shooting, and it mentally & physically wore the cast & 750 crew members out.  

“Nothing can prepare you for how physically draining it is,” actress Maisie Williams, who portrays Arya Stark on the show, told EW. “It’s night after night, and again and again, and it just doesn’t stop. You can’t get sick, and you have to look out for yourself because there’s so much to do that nobody else can do… there are moments you’re just broken as a human and just want to cry.”

All the while on the writers' side, the effort culminates in "Dany kinda forgot about Euron's fleet" and in not even bothering to check the wiki for the fact that Gendry might be a Waters rather than a Rivers...
And that's why the atrociously lazy writing is even more an insult than just an insult to the audience's intelligence. It is an insult to the tremendous work of actors and crew, it shows no respect for their engagement, it sells all their crafts out for cheap bangs and petty statements.

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2 hours ago, It_spelt_Magalhaes said:

And did I just see Dance on the Godzilla trailer? Saying 'Long live the King', no less?

I guess like us he just needed some clarification as to the show he was a part of?

The old Conan movies were awesome.

The other day a Basil Poledouris track randomly dropped into my Spotify and I grinned like an idiot.

Grace Jones was the bomb.

I will wear a :dunce: for my Conan blasphemies.

 

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9 hours ago, Kaapstad said:

I felt zero satisfaction when they killed the Night King.

My brain was fixed in a long line of no no no no no NOOOOOOOOO 

Idk if it was expected, Jon Snow should have fought the Night King, I Will say it till my dying breath

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12 hours ago, AlaerysTargaryen said:

My brain was fixed in a long line of no no no no no NOOOOOOOOO 

Idk if it was expected, Jon Snow should have fought the Night King, I Will say it till my dying breath

Yep, can you seriously expect Conan stepping aside and let his little sister take the big bad down? "Zeez iz called sahbverzshun, ja? Zeez iz what we are doing now"

Nah, doesn't work.

 

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Speaking of movies/television that lose the thread when converting from novels, I recently learned that Scyfy network got hold of the rights to Dan Simmons Hyperion Cantos.  The Shrike should be turned loose on them before they actually desecrate that sacred cow.  Lord, the horrors they could unleash.  We thought GoT ended up a shit-show?  Imagine Scyfy's typical nonsense interspersed with brief flashes of metal and the tree of pain?  It makes me wonder who in Simmons' management team decided to destroy him.

After having some time to ponder the end of Game of Thrones, I actually think I dislike it more with each passing day.  It's like a festering mold that crawled into my brain and insists on growing.  How could any of that have made sense to them?  Was no one on the production team in a position to ask WTF they were thinking?  Would they have listened had they gotten the question?

I've noticed they've run to ground since the finale.  I wonder if they're laughing like cartoon villains at the disgust people feel?

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2 minutes ago, Dragons Are Real said:

Speaking of movies/television that lose the thread when converting from novels, I recently learned that Scyfy network got hold of the rights to Dan Simmons Hyperion Cantos.  The Shrike should be turned loose on them before they actually desecrate that sacred cow.  Lord, the horrors they could unleash.  We thought GoT ended up a shit-show?  Imagine Scyfy's typical nonsense interspersed with brief flashes of metal and the tree of pain?  It makes me wonder who in Simmons' management team decided to destroy him.

Eh... I imagine that an adaptation might be doable, but....

Let me guess: a lot of Kassad/Moneta and Brawne/John because, sex and romance, at the expense of anything else, and cool fight liquid Terminator style.

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44 minutes ago, Dragons Are Real said:

After having some time to ponder the end of Game of Thrones, I actually think I dislike it more with each passing day.  It's like a festering mold that crawled into my brain and insists on growing.  How could any of that have made sense to them?  Was no one on the production team in a position to ask WTF they were thinking?  Would they have listened had they gotten the question?

I agree with this. I want to just move on and accept the disasters that S7 & S8 were, but I keep coming back because the festering mold turd feels worse and worse with each passing day. 

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1 hour ago, Dragons Are Real said:

Speaking of movies/television that lose the thread when converting from novels, I recently learned that Scyfy network got hold of the rights to Dan Simmons Hyperion Cantos.  The Shrike should be turned loose on them before they actually desecrate that sacred cow.  Lord, the horrors they could unleash.  We thought GoT ended up a shit-show?  Imagine Scyfy's typical nonsense interspersed with brief flashes of metal and the tree of pain?  It makes me wonder who in Simmons' management team decided to destroy him.

After having some time to ponder the end of Game of Thrones, I actually think I dislike it more with each passing day.  It's like a festering mold that crawled into my brain and insists on growing.  How could any of that have made sense to them?  Was no one on the production team in a position to ask WTF they were thinking?  Would they have listened had they gotten the question?

I've noticed they've run to ground since the finale.  I wonder if they're laughing like cartoon villains at the disgust people feel?

What? Gods, Hyperion Cantos are at the top of my favorite books, but unlike ASOIAF, there is quite a few things that could and should be changed when translating to tv format.

I am having the same reaction to the last season as you.

I wonder how much does George truly hate the show's last years, or how much of the inconvenient truth is he willing to admit to himself about total and absolute ineptness of Benioff and Weiss... and how much will the reaction of the audience, especially the book reading audience, affect his own writing, I mean, if he ever gets to write the ending...

I wonder if we'll ever get to Mars with a human crew...

I wonder how many Milky Way rolls takes to fill an Olympic pool...

I wonder...

Edited by Han Snow

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1 hour ago, Ygrain said:

Eh... I imagine that an adaptation might be doable, but....

Let me guess: a lot of Kassad/Moneta and Brawne/John because, sex and romance, at the expense of anything else, and cool fight liquid Terminator style.

It's scyfy.  They'll throw sharknadoes and giant crocs in just because.  Of all networks to get those stories?  Really?

Somebody get Han Snow a medic?  I think the spiral got 'im.

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37 minutes ago, The Dragon Demands said:

Conleth Hill table read reaction to Varys death (Last Watch video clip)

More videos soon.  I'm doing panels at a local convention this weekend.

 

There were so many signals that their script was awful… Why didn t they do something about it? why?

 

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6 hours ago, Dragons Are Real said:

Speaking of movies/television that lose the thread when converting from novels, I recently learned that Scyfy network got hold of the rights to Dan Simmons Hyperion Cantos.  The Shrike should be turned loose on them before they actually desecrate that sacred cow.  Lord, the horrors they could unleash.  We thought GoT ended up a shit-show?  Imagine Scyfy's typical nonsense interspersed with brief flashes of metal and the tree of pain?  It makes me wonder who in Simmons' management team decided to destroy him.

After having some time to ponder the end of Game of Thrones, I actually think I dislike it more with each passing day.  It's like a festering mold that crawled into my brain and insists on growing.  How could any of that have made sense to them?  Was no one on the production team in a position to ask WTF they were thinking?  Would they have listened had they gotten the question?

I've noticed they've run to ground since the finale.  I wonder if they're laughing like cartoon villains at the disgust people feel?

They are enjoying how much they subverted our expectations I am sure.

 

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32 minutes ago, divica said:

There were so many signals that their script was awful… Why didn t they do something about it? why?

I just watched the doc "The Last Watch". In this film the words that come up most often during the shooting of Season 8 are "fatigue", "lassitude", "exhaustion" (or synonyms). 


It is obvious that no one, neither the producers nor the technicians nor the actors, had the strength to react anymore. Conleth Hill is the exception (maybe Sapotchnik too). Absolutely everyone wanted to get it over with. 

The 55 nights of shooting required against all logic by D&D killed any desire for in-depth reflection on what they were doing. 

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