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1 minute ago, Wolfking007 said:

Children are suppose to be extinct, at least in the show, and with them their magic too, so thats probably the end for the WW's.

I really don't remember were they defeated, forced back or some kind of deal was made. I'm just guessing they didn't disappear for 8000 years out of goodness of their hearts

Maybe the NK was waiting for the right time, He wall was unbreachable so for 8000 years he waited until an opportunity arises, that opportunity being the news of Dragons being back and the possibility if he could get his hands on one of taking down the wall.

They didn't disappear completely they were still very active beyond the wall which was seen with Caster giving them offerings, so it was maybe just that the NK never saw an opportunity to get beyond the wall for those years.

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1 minute ago, StoneColdJorahMormont said:

Maybe the NK was waiting for the right time, He wall was unbreachable so for 8000 years he waited until an opportunity arises, that opportunity being the news of Dragons being back and the possibility if he could get his hands on one of taking down the wall.

They didn't disappear completely they were still very active beyond the wall which was seen with Caster giving them offerings, so it was maybe just that the NK never saw an opportunity to get beyond the wall for those years.

Maybe.

I always had a impression they've started to appear again after the Roberts rebellion or somewhere around that time. Craster probably wasn't the only one offering his sons, and in the Battle at Winterfell there were only ~20 - 30 of them, maybe 50. The rest of them were zombies. If they have reappeared sooner it would be more of them.

But then again this is the show where you see all of Dothraki die in one battle, and then 2 episodes later there are hundreds of them in another battle so...

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Just now, Wolfking007 said:

Maybe.

I always had a impression they've started to appear again after the Roberts rebellion or somewhere around that time. Craster probably wasn't the only one offering his sons, and in the Battle at Winterfell there were only ~20 - 30 of them, maybe 50. The rest of them were zombies. If they have reappeared sooner it would be more of them.

But then again this is the show where you see all of Dothraki die in one battle, and then 2 episodes later there are hundreds of them in another battle so...

And also see the Dothraki when Dany is addressing them but suddenly disappear when she is killed off... with no mention of them or where they went.

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There is no purpose. They don't even really have to deal with the wildlings since so many died. It's basically just sending criminals and traitors to winter camp forever. Although I think jon just left.

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20 hours ago, SansaJonRule said:

Bran is no longer a Stark.  He is the memory of ALL of Westeros and that is where his loyalty lies.

I wonder if he truly thinks that the North leaving the kingdom is good for ALL PEOPLE in Westeros. It sure seems to benefit the Stark a whole lot, raising them permanently to Kings and Queens of their own impenetrable (by land) kingdom. Also, he just gave away 1/3 of the land mass of the kingdom. I'm sure no one will mind. 

It might have been nice to actually SHOW Bran doing something selfless. What would a government run by someone sees the world in such a seemingly neutral way look like?  

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2 hours ago, Westerosi said:

It’s just another huge plot hole or crater in the disaster that is season 8. There is no point to the Nights Watch. The white walkers are gone and dealt with according to the show. The wildlings are part of the Northmen too as they were integrated into their kingdom. Moreover, the north is “independent”. Why should the six kingdoms care about sending people (voluntarily or involuntarily) all the way there? On the other hand, why would the North even want to accept their undesirables? In other words, the whole concept of the wall existing anymore makes no sense anymore.

It makes sense that Jon would want to go back to the north but the whole contrived way to get him there makes no sense to me. And if you ask me as well, keeping the NW will again worsen and demonize the wildlings over time with witch peace and understanding had already been achieved. 

What they should have done was just say he was exiled, and then he decides to go North beyond the Wall instead of to Essos.  Same outcome, better explanation. 

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23 hours ago, StoneColdJorahMormont said:

Maybe my eyes played tricks on me I am half asleep.. but it looked like the wall had been repaired ?

I said the same thing to my wife, didn’t realize it was only part of the wall.

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22 hours ago, The Unborn said:

The show hasn't alluded to it and I thought it would, and it's clear the books will be different, but it seems pretty stupid the COTF would only create one WW and let him try to destroy the First Men on his own. If they created the NK to fight the First Men, they must have created a lot more. 

 

I thought okay maybe the NK was a rogue one trying to fulfill his purpose, and others are still roaming in the land of always winter, or hibernating or whatever and Bran will tell Jon we need to be ready for when they're back...

I eerily though that when Jon and Tormund were riding off at the end that the way they were riding their horses was very similar to how the WW looked while riding their mares with the dead walking below.

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22 hours ago, Smoke317 said:

A place to banish Jon so Sansa & Bran (a girl & a handicapped boy) can run things.  Now ask what was the purpose of R+L=J?  That’s an even bigger mystery. 

There was no purpose to it.  All fan fantasy :D

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15 hours ago, chatty83 said:

It just seemed like a ruse to get Jon out of captivity. Grey Worm was sold it against revenge and at least in their minds is unlikely to head North to find out. Jon goes North to live with the Wildlings/Free-folk where he's at peace and with his people. They basically showed you that Tormund was in charge up there as castle Black was just him and the rest of the Wildlings who were left after the battle of Winterfell. By the looks of it mainly women and children so Jon and Tormund are gonna have to help repopulate the North with mass amounts of Targ and Giantsbane bastards.

Jons not really punished with this but he does have to live with himself and all the bad stuff he's done and as he said, he thinks he made the wrong decision killing Dany, he quoted Aemon and Aemons other quote was he'd have to live with his decision for the rest of his life, right or wrong. That's his punishment.

Grey Worm has been there. He was there when the night king fell. He knows exactly there is nothing left to guard. No punishment in going north.

It's lazy writing, that's all

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2 hours ago, StoneColdJorahMormont said:

And also see the Dothraki when Dany is addressing them but suddenly disappear when she is killed off... with no mention of them or where they went.

Yes, and the Dothraki Blood Riders are sworn to kill for their leader.  I guess they "kinda forgot".

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I guess the Wall would now be a great landmark and possibly a cultural heritage site. They need a lot of manpower to keep up with the maintenance.

I didn't see it as Jon leaving the Watch. He simply took an extended group of newly recruited rangers out on a great ranging to scout the lands north of the Wall, maybe to establish a few self-sufficient forward bases and ensure that the land is maintained responsibly. The mission might last for the rest of his days, but the other two guys should be able to take care of the castles and the Wall while he's gone. Or maybe they'll raise Mole Town again, the Master of Coin has expressed some willingness to support the re-establishment of businesses like that.

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I’m not sure if I saw this correctly, but in the scene where the Starks are preparing for their journey, and they show them packing weapons, did Jon roll up some dragon glass blades into some cloth?  He might be playing it safe, and who could blame him?

 

 

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10 hours ago, robasp2 said:

Grey Worm has been there. He was there when the night king fell. He knows exactly there is nothing left to guard. No punishment in going north.

It's lazy writing, that's all

It is still exile to frugal living in the most inhospitable part of Westeros. People who were to Siberia still saw deportation to Siberia as a punishment ;)

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9 hours ago, Bear Claw said:

Yes, and the Dothraki Blood Riders are sworn to kill for their leader.  I guess they "kinda forgot".

Dothraki follow strength. They abandoned Khal Drogo when he got sick and switched allegiance to Daenerys without any question of vengeance when she burnt their entire leadership structure. It would be out of character for them to give a damn for a khaleesi who allowed herself to be killed. 

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8 minutes ago, The Red Waste said:

Dothraki follow strength. They abandoned Khal Drogo when he got sick and switched allegiance to Daenerys without any question of vengeance when she burnt their entire leadership structure. It would be out of character for them to give a damn for a khaleesi who allowed herself to be killed. 

Daenerys named them all 'blood riders'.  Accordingly, the Dothraki should have killed themselves after their Khal died. 

Jon's ending was the most insane of the lot.  Jon saw Grey Worm aboard a ship.  Why not watch him sail away while giving the finger? Sansa could pardon him if she so desires.

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The wall exists for the same reason it did at the beginning of the book.  Remember that the White Walkers were considered a myth or part of long gone history right there with giants and the like.  The last remembered "fantastical" creatures were dragons and they had died off.  Still the wall existed.  The wildings do not exist as a single unit.  Even if Maynce had unified most of them countless others still exist.  The threat to the "realms of men" still exist.  Besides its a convenient place to banish people to anyways.  

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Easy: none. Bad pussy writing.

Wildlings going back to beyond the wall, hahaha. Remember they really wanted to go through the wall and they are barbarians. They would just at most go back to the lands that were given to them, rich lands this side of the wall.

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Jon's return to the Night Watch was silly and stupid in context, but what you gonna do?

In all honesty, I wouldn't have minded having some actual writing/dialog done here saying the southern lords had decided the Wildlings need to "be returned home" and Jon should be the one to escort them since he had helped establish them south of the wall.  Plant the seeds for continued conflict among the people of Westerous by establishing that not everyone agrees with this action, but everyone vaguely fears the "crazy northerners" and so reluctantly acquiesce.  Give us the bitterness of all the alliance building falling apart now that the threat has been deemed neutralized.  And then the sweetness of Toromund and Jon bromancing it up on their ride north, feeling like they're finally getting away from the gods be damned craziness of all the plotting and stupidity of the Game of Thrones.

If I were George at this point, I'd be writing furiously to get my version out and prove isn't meant to end this stupid.  By the grace of the seven, let him complete the novels.

Edited by Dragons Are Real

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