Erkan12 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 2 hours ago, snow is the man said: Sansa helped tip dany over the edge and caused so much trouble and yet she is made queen of the north and given credit for northern independence? Tyrion gets away with everything he did (yes most of it was from stupidity). Arya's ending made some sense since she is just going out on her own however the show runners clearly played favorites with sansa and tyrion. Bran becomes king and everything is perfect? Hey what about the murdering/rapists horde that is the dothraki? And to me it seemed like Bran is pulling a robert in some ways. He will ignore the kingdom while he wargs. Gotta love what the show runners did. They made the last season sad and destroyed dany's character and yet then they go full disney ending for the survivors? Well except for jon. I just don't understand what they were trying to do and am VERY happy it was over. PS. and drogon lets jon go and burns the iron throne? Oh well played. What Sansa and Tyrion did? Lol. You're acting like as if they killed thousands of children at KL... Dothraki should obey the king / queen of Westeros, as well as Unsullied, that was the deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNecromancerofMirkwood Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Ummm, where is everyone getting this idea that Jon was happy among the Wildlings. He was happy being with Ygritte, not living amongst The Free Folk. Furthermore, he went to join The Night's Watch because "even a bastard can rise high". His being sent back was EXILE. Its not the "Frodo Bittersweet Ending" of sailing off to Tol Eressëa , its just "Jon Being Thrown Under the Bus Ending" of him having to go live in The Haunted Forest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moseh Khayim Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 The two main characters sure got the short end of the stick. Strange thing is, I'm not even that unsatisfied with the way those two end up. It's just how and when it happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nictarion Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said: What makes you think the Ghiscari didn’t resume slaving as soon as Dany sailed out of Slaver’s Bay? Well, she left Daario in charge (and we never heard otherwise), and without the Dothraki one of the biggest sources of producing new slaves was gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComfyLettuce Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 24 minutes ago, SeanF said: I would have been happier if someone could at least have said something good of Dany at the end. We'll never get anyone saying of Dany (in show canon) that "the evil that men do lives after them so that the good is oft interred in their bones" She will be branded as a complete monster through the centuries, and her role in smashing the slave trade and saving the world will be ignored. Not sure about liberating the slave cities, but I'd like to think the battle vs the dead and her important role/sacrifices fighting in it would be documented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanadis Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, TheNecromancerofMirkwood said: Ummm, where is everyone getting this idea that Jon was happy among the Wildlings. He was happy being with Ygritte, not living amongst The Free Folk. Furthermore, he went to join The Night's Watch because "even a bastard can rise high". His being sent back was EXILE. Its not the "Frodo Bittersweet Ending" of sailing off to Tol Eressëa , its just "Jon Being Thrown Under the Bus Ending" of him having to go live in The Haunted Forest. Only Stark kid still in touch with his direwolf? Apparently Ghost is happiest north of the wall. I'm sure Jon is perfectly happy too alongside his adorable ball of fur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrypticWeirwood Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 1 hour ago, AryaNymeriaVisenya said: Arya is never going to see anyone she loves ever again even if she doesn't die at sea apparently. Gendry is doomed to become Robert V2 Because of hopelessly loving the Stark girl with the wolfblood who never loved him? Yes, probably. Unrequited love has many a tragedy engendered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NymeriaWarriorQueen Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Jon ended up where he belonged. In Episode 4 Tormund told him he would be happier in the North too. Jon told him he wished he was going with him and Ghost. Tormund emphasized Jon had the North in him.....the REAL NORTH. So I really don’t see this as punishment for Jon. This is always where he really wanted to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AryaNymeriaVisenya Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Just now, CrypticWeirwood said: Because of hopelessly loving the Stark girl with the wolfblood who never loved him? Yes, probably. Unrequited love has many a tragedy engendered. Arya loved him but his legitimisation tore them apart. Duty is the death of love being the theme. But we know he ends up like Robert because they repurposed Robert's dialogue 'Nothing means anything if I'm not with you' 'Seven kingdoms couldn't fill the hole she left behind' And his costume in this episode with the claw scratches on it. A wolf got to him. https://66.media.tumblr.com/b9f92e5b8e91d4939884cc860dd8b349/tumblr_prt05fb0WD1rmx59v_540.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
divica Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, TheFirstofHerName said: Jon ended up where he belonged. In Episode 4 Tormund told him he would be happier in the North too. Jon told him he wished he was going with him and Ghost. Tormund emphasized Jon had the North in him.....the REAL NORTH. So I really don’t see this as punishment for Jon. This is always where he really wanted to be. Nobody likes to live north of the Wall. Even the show wildlings wanted to go south to have a better life (see hardhome ep for ex). Jon having to kill the woman he loves because she becomes crazy and then being exiled into the NW for it is awful. If they have jon break his vows to the NW in order to leave with the wildlings it is a complete assassination of his character- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNecromancerofMirkwood Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 1 minute ago, divica said: Nobody likes to live north of the Wall. Even the show wildlings wanted to go south to have a better life (see hardhome ep for ex). Jon having to kill the woman he loves because she becomes crazy and then being exiled into the NW for it is awful. If they have jon break his vows to the NW in order to leave with the wildlings it is a complete assassination of his character- Absolutely! I cannot fathom why people are grasping onto this idea that Jon's ending was anything other than bitter. It was not remotely bittersweet, let alone this inane notion it was a happy one. He was happy lying in Ygritte's arms, not living amongst the Wildlings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion of the West Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, divica said: Nobody likes to live north of the Wall. Even the show wildlings wanted to go south to have a better life (see hardhome ep for ex). Jon having to kill the woman he loves because she becomes crazy and then being exiled into the NW for it is awful. If they have jon break his vows to the NW in order to leave with the wildlings it is a complete assassination of his character- I feel I must ask a question on this. Were the Wildlings really looking for a better life south of the Wall as opposed to just flee their homeland and escape the White Walkers? People thinking the grass is greener on the other side and then finding out that it wasn't so isn't unheard of in my experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sifth Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 1 hour ago, White26 said: He followed orders from his queen so no crime there. By that logic every Frey at the Red Wedding, aside from Walder must be an innocent puppy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NymeriaWarriorQueen Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 8 minutes ago, divica said: Nobody likes to live north of the Wall. Even the show wildlings wanted to go south to have a better life (see hardhome ep for ex). Jon having to kill the woman he loves because she becomes crazy and then being exiled into the NW for it is awful. If they have jon break his vows to the NW in order to leave with the wildlings it is a complete assassination of his character- Is there really even a NW anymore? I have always thought that he was happiest in the North with the freefolk. I rewatched that final scene several times and basically all I saw at Castle Black were the wildlings and Tormund. There were the two men that escorted him to CB but were they northmen or wildlings? When he looked back at the gate I took it as him closing the door on that chapter of his life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacala Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Someone wake up Howland Reed. The show has ended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
divica Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 5 minutes ago, Lion of the West said: I feel I must ask a question on this. Were the Wildlings really looking for a better life south of the Wall as opposed to just flee their homeland and escape the White Walkers? People thinking the grass is greener on the other side and then finding out that it wasn't so isn't unheard of in my experience. See from min 1:50. The deal is literally they give the wildlings lands in the gift for them to have a better life and they fight against the ww… 2 minutes ago, TheFirstofHerName said: Is there really even a NW anymore? I have always thought that he was happiest in the North with the freefolk. I rewatched that final scene several times and basically all I saw at Castle Black were the wildlings and Tormund. There were the two men that escorted him to CB but were they northmen or wildlings? When he looked back at the gate I took it as him closing the door on that chapter of his life. Tyrion basically says they need a place to send bastards and criminals so the NW will exist. This is the place that tyrion and bran send jon for killing danny... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NymeriaWarriorQueen Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 8 minutes ago, TheNecromancerofMirkwood said: Absolutely! I cannot fathom why people are grasping onto this idea that Jon's ending was anything other than bitter. It was not remotely bittersweet, let alone this inane notion it was a happy one. He was happy lying in Ygritte's arms, not living amongst the Wildlings. If that is true then why would he tell Tormund in Episode 4 that he wished he was going with him and Ghost? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanadis Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 12 minutes ago, divica said: Jon having to kill the woman he loves because she becomes crazy and then being exiled into the NW for it is awful. If they have jon break his vows to the NW in order to leave with the wildlings it is a complete assassination of his character- Heh, I feel vowbreaking is a central part of Jon's character Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
divica Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 10 minutes ago, TheNecromancerofMirkwood said: Absolutely! I cannot fathom why people are grasping onto this idea that Jon's ending was anything other than bitter. It was not remotely bittersweet, let alone this inane notion it was a happy one. He was happy lying in Ygritte's arms, not living amongst the Wildlings. If he had some porpuse to give meaning to his life I could see it as being a bittersweet ending. Him being exiled into the useless NW or him breaking his vows to leave with the wildlings is awfull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NymeriaWarriorQueen Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 1 minute ago, divica said: See from min 1:50. The deal is literally they give the wildlings lands in the gift for them to have a better life and they fight against the ww… Tyrion basically says they need a place to send bastards and criminals so the NW will exist. This is the place that tyrion and bran send jon for killing danny... If that is the case then they need to get busy and staff the place because it looks like everyone left and deserted the place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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