BlackLightning Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 (edited) On 6/10/2019 at 10:11 AM, Rose of Red Lake said: There's not much hope in this ending. I agree that Martin does not deconstruct tropes, he reconstructs them - however, the point of reconstruction is that the process of getting to the trope still makes sense and is delivered realistically. I think this ending, if it is GRRM's, is quite nihilistic, delivered unrealistically, and confirms the worst of the fantasy tropes that the author claims to critique. Most of these fatal flaws in the story center on Jon, Bran, and Tyrion. - Jon's ending is SUPER SAD and sets the tone of the entire story IMO. Jon is shuttled off to the Night's Watch, disinherited, and returns to a place where Catelyn wanted him to go. So Cat was right, Jon doesn't belong as a member of the Stark family? Also, it's unclear if the NW even serves a purpose anymore. He could just as well help the wildlings as a king or a lord - after all, aren't people supposed to be integrated rather than ostracized (GRRM is very pro-immigration). I dont think Jon actually liked the NW as an institution, and the "band of brothers" ideal went sour once they turned on him. Jon lives by his own code which is usually correct. I thought he needed the freedom to make his own decisions as ruler. Jon being king would be reconstructed Aragorn and would make perfect sense. Instead we get... - Bran the tree wizard ascends to the throne, because it was "destined" and he "foresaw" it. We have no idea what Bran's tax policy would be, the ruling experience he has amounts to a small scene when he greets Meera and Jojen. He's implicated so much in the magical aspects of Westeros that it would be like a younger Elrond becoming king at the end of LOTR, out of nowhere. - Jon's character experiences massive injustice at Tyrion's expense. Jon is a kinslayer and killed his lover. Tyrion did the same. Tyrion gets off scott free, gets to do what he enjoys - playing the game and being Hand. Who knows, he may even be heir to Casterly Rock. Gets to father children. Gets to fuck whores, ect. ect. Jon meanwhile is condemned to celibacy even though he wants a son so badly he involuntarily wargs into his wolf (his Stark side). The only hopeful thing I see in this ending is, Ghost lives. That just isn't enough to feel hopeful, and it completely misses the LOTR catharsis. For what it's worth, not only do I think Jon and Daenerys will be married but I think they will be either ruling jointly as the King and Queen of Westeros for a short period time. Either that or Jon will be the sole ruler with Daenerys as his consort queen. In any case, the Targaryen Renaissance won't last long. So I think Bran's tax policy would be Jon's tax policy and/or Daenerys' tax policy. There's a bittersweet ending in that. Jon's and Dany's dreams for the future are realized and their hard work is validated and appreciated...but neither of them are allowed to see or enjoy it. It's like doing all the work required to raise a lemon tree only to find that lemons are impossible to eat. Even worse, you are completely unable to make lemonade, lemon cakes or even lemon zest for other dishes out of it. You are free to take advantage of the fragrance of fresh lemons but it won't last for they will soon rot. The best you can hope for is to gaze longingly at the beautiful lemon tree from your window... Bittersweet. And yes, the Tyrion ending is horrific, unfair and completely breaks the rules of their own world. And no, the fact that Ghost lives is not enough to make up for the travesty that is the ending of Jon's (or Dany's for that matter) story. Edited May 13, 2020 by BlackLightning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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