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Um, Spain, WTF?!?!?!?!?:

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A court in Barcelona cleared five men of sexual assault charges on Thursday after saying the crime did not fit the legal definition of rape because the unconscious teenage victim didn't fight back.

Under Spanish law, a sexual attack can only be classified as an assault or rape if the perpetrator uses violence or intimidation. Because the 14-year-old victim was unconscious, the five were convicted of a lesser charge of sexual abuse.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/01/europe/barcelona-rape-sexual-assault-intl/index.html

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On 11/1/2019 at 3:03 PM, Tywin et al. said:

It is absurd. Like people who commit murder don’t get different much less lesser charges because their victims were unconscious when killed.

But quite frankly, and disappointedly no more heinous or absurd than many laws about sexual assault in many states in America. 

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The President of Bolivia has resigned:

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LA PAZ, Bolivia — Bolivian President Evo Morales announced his resignation Sunday under mounting pressure from the military and the public after his re-election victory triggered weeks of fraud allegations and deadly protests.

The decision came after a day of fast-moving developments, including an offer from Morales to hold a new election. But the crisis deepened dramatically when the country’s military chief went on national television to call on him to step down.

“I am sending my resignation letter to the Legislative Assembly of Bolivia,” the 60-year-old socialist leader said in a statement.

Morales’ claim to have won a fourth term last month plunged the country into the biggest crisis of his nearly 14 years in power. The unrest left three people dead and over 100 injured in clashes between his supporters and opponents.

It'll be interesting to see who will be in charge there now.

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8 hours ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

Bolivian President Evo Morales has resigned over allegations of election fraud:


https://www.npr.org/2019/11/10/778042181/bolivian-president-evo-morales-calls-for-new-elections-amid-protests

He resigned becous the military "asked" him to, he didnt resign becouse of the election fraud alegations

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15 hours ago, Lord of Rhinos said:

That's brutal. 

From the news reports it sounds like the  protests were fairly spontaneous.  Do protesters have some generally agreed on demands or are exact ideas waiting to cohere?

The one demand everyone agrees is the need to have a new constitution under a constitutional assembley

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32 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

That isn’t what the article said.

Read the Time article I linked a few posts above yours (or even just my quote of it). Interestingly enough, three people in the line of succession all resigned so it's not clear what happens next:

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The deputy leader of the Senate, Jeanine Áñez, said she would assume power as interim leader until elections were held.

Ms Áñez made the announcement after Vice-President Álvaro García, Senate leader Adriana Salvatierra and House of Deputies' leader Victor Borda had all resigned, leaving her next in line to take over power temporarily.

"I assume this challenge with the only objective to call new elections," she said. "This is simply a transitional phase."

The opposition politician said she would convene the legislative assembly later on Monday to be confirmed as interim president.

But with Mr Morales' party in control of both the Senate and the House of Deputies it is not clear if she will get the necessary backing from legislators.

 

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Good to see Evo go in Bolivia, but what they really need now is fresh elections (with no Evo), which doesn't seem to be on the cards.

On Chile, I'm not convinced that constitutional reform is the way to go. The post-Pinochet system hasn't served Chile badly on a relative basis and you would certainly rather be Chilean than, say, Argentinian at the moment (ETA: assuming you are not caught up in the police brutality :/). What surprises me is that Pinera even managed to win that last election if the mood in Chile is more towards big government and redistribution. 

We are almost in need of a Latin American politics thread with everything going on!

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1 hour ago, Paxter said:

Good to see Evo go in Bolivia, but what they really need now is fresh elections (with no Evo), which doesn't seem to be on the cards.

On Chile, I'm not convinced that constitutional reform is the way to go. The post-Pinochet system hasn't served Chile badly on a relative basis and you would certainly rather be Chilean than, say, Argentinian at the moment (ETA: assuming you are not caught up in the police brutality :/). What surprises me is that Pinera even managed to win that last election if the mood in Chile is more towards big government and redistribution. 

We are almost in need of a Latin American politics thread with everything going on!

You are wrong on every single thing (except for the latin american thread) . But to put it simply, the only way to start fixing the very deep seeded problems in chile is through a new conatitution, cuz if you dont know (and its clear that you dont), the consitution that we have its illegitimate from conception, redacted behind walls with no imput from thw people and (and this is key) under a brutal dictatorship. 

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19 minutes ago, Conflicting Thought said:

You are wrong on every single thing (except for the latin american thread). 

Why does Bolivia not need fresh elections? Evo was breaching the term limit and shouldn't be running.

RE: Chile, I am aware that the current set-up was agreed to under Pinochet - I just think that economic reform is more pressing than political/constitutional reform. I also think there are plenty of Latin Americans who would much rather be in Chile than any other country on the continent. 

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1 hour ago, Paxter said:

Why does Bolivia not need fresh elections? Evo was breaching the term limit and shouldn't be running.

RE: Chile, I am aware that the current set-up was agreed to under Pinochet - I just think that economic reform is more pressing than political/constitutional reform. I also think there are plenty of Latin Americans who would much rather be in Chile than any other country on the continent

So, i would ask you to please read about what is happening, and why changing the constitution is soo tied up with the political and economkcal changes that we want,  the constitution is key in all of this. 

As to your other "argument" of people wanting to live in chile, i just dont have the paciense to engage in this nonsense. 

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2 hours ago, Conflicting Thought said:

So, i would ask you to please read about what is happening, and why changing the constitution is soo tied up with the political and economkcal changes that we want,  the constitution is key in all of this. 

As to your other "argument" of people wanting to live in chile, i just dont have the paciense to engage in this nonsense. 

It may be a moot point anyway as Pinera is signalling con reform. Let's see how that goes. 

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3 hours ago, Paxter said:

It may be a moot point anyway as Pinera is signalling con reform. Let's see how that goes. 

We dont want reform, we had reforms, and its not enough. We want a new constitution. 

And piñera has lost all legitimacy, when he send the military to the streets and belcouse he now has blood on his hands, the congress also has no legitimacy becouse the people dont trust them (for plenty of reasons).

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2 hours ago, Conflicting Thought said:

We dont want reform, we had reforms, and its not enough. We want a new constitution.

Constitutional reform and a new constitution are not mutually exclusive. The former is a broader concept that could include a full rewrite. My understanding is that the new document would be put to a public vote. 

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In a completely different part of the world, the Supreme Court of India has decided that a Hindu temple will be built in Ayodhya and Muslims get land to build a mosque elsewhere:

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Hindus believe that Ayodhya, a city in the northern state of Uttar Pradesh, is the birthplace of one of their most revered deities, Lord Ram. Muslims say they have worshipped there for generations. The Supreme Court has now ruled that the site should be given to Hindus to build a temple there.

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At the centre of the row is a 16th-Century mosque that was demolished by Hindu mobs in 1992, sparking riots that killed nearly 2,000 people. Many Hindus believe that the Babri Masjid was actually constructed on the ruins of a Hindu temple that was demolished by Muslim invaders. Muslims say they offered prayers at the mosque until December 1949 when some Hindus placed an idol of Ram in the mosque and began to worship the idols. Over the decades since, the two religious groups went to court many times over who should control the site.

 

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Here in the US, the little reporting getting through on what's going on in Bolivia is just atrocious, pathetic and utterly ignorant.  I can't even get started, because I just don't know where to begin -- and I'm no expert either.  But at school I listen to Bolivians talking and what they are saying is just so not what the little we get in the 'news media' says.

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