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On 10/19/2019 at 11:19 PM, Conflicting Thought said:

Chile is finally waking up, and we've been on the streets for 6 days now. since today the country is in State of Exception, menaing, the military is in the streets fighting against us. Its fuckin incredible to see VERY young people fighting for  justice for everyone. 

https://www.npr.org/2019/10/19/771545299/chiles-capital-engulfed-in-chaos-as-metro-protests-intensify

In the Western Media the topic is like Ecuador sadly more or less ignored

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Netanyahu has fail to form a government. His rival Gantz will now get a chance to do so. If he succeeds, there’s a decent chance that Bibi finds himself in prison in the future.

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The situation here, in Chile, is brutal. The military have killed over 40 people, they are raping and torturing us, they are spreading chaos buy burning and pillagin (many, many videos of them cought in the act) , but we are strong and we keep fighting, we are not backing down. 

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3 hours ago, Conflicting Thought said:

The situation here, in Chile, is brutal. The military have killed over 40 people, they are raping and torturing us, they are spreading chaos buy burning and pillagin (many, many videos of them cought in the act) , but we are strong and we keep fighting, we are not backing down. 

Stay safe, and good luck

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Lebanon also deals with major protests against its goverment. I doesn't look as catastrophic as Chile, though.

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Argentina has turned against Macri, with the Fernandez team looking to have won outright in the first round. Depressing stuff, but Macri blew his chances with a botched economy. Things might have gone better for him if he'd taken a larger economic bath from the get-go to tame inflation; instead he went for the halfway-house of moderate consolidation, which led to (another) IMF bailout.

On the bright side, at least Kristina isn't Pres again.

I'm a little surprised at the unrest in Chile. Not at all surprised with Ecuador - Moreno could not have made a less astute choice with the fuel subsidies. 

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Um, Spain, WTF?!?!?!?!?:

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A court in Barcelona cleared five men of sexual assault charges on Thursday after saying the crime did not fit the legal definition of rape because the unconscious teenage victim didn't fight back.

Under Spanish law, a sexual attack can only be classified as an assault or rape if the perpetrator uses violence or intimidation. Because the 14-year-old victim was unconscious, the five were convicted of a lesser charge of sexual abuse.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/01/europe/barcelona-rape-sexual-assault-intl/index.html

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On 11/1/2019 at 3:03 PM, Tywin et al. said:

It is absurd. Like people who commit murder don’t get different much less lesser charges because their victims were unconscious when killed.

But quite frankly, and disappointedly no more heinous or absurd than many laws about sexual assault in many states in America. 

Edited by Varysblackfyre321

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The President of Bolivia has resigned:

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LA PAZ, Bolivia — Bolivian President Evo Morales announced his resignation Sunday under mounting pressure from the military and the public after his re-election victory triggered weeks of fraud allegations and deadly protests.

The decision came after a day of fast-moving developments, including an offer from Morales to hold a new election. But the crisis deepened dramatically when the country’s military chief went on national television to call on him to step down.

“I am sending my resignation letter to the Legislative Assembly of Bolivia,” the 60-year-old socialist leader said in a statement.

Morales’ claim to have won a fourth term last month plunged the country into the biggest crisis of his nearly 14 years in power. The unrest left three people dead and over 100 injured in clashes between his supporters and opponents.

It'll be interesting to see who will be in charge there now.

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That's brutal. 

From the news reports it sounds like the  protests were fairly spontaneous.  Do protesters have some generally agreed on demands or are exact ideas waiting to cohere?

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15 hours ago, Lord of Rhinos said:

That's brutal. 

From the news reports it sounds like the  protests were fairly spontaneous.  Do protesters have some generally agreed on demands or are exact ideas waiting to cohere?

The one demand everyone agrees is the need to have a new constitution under a constitutional assembley

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1 hour ago, Conflicting Thought said:

He resigned becous the military "asked" him to, he didnt resign becouse of the election fraud alegations

That isn’t what the article said.

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32 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

That isn’t what the article said.

Read the Time article I linked a few posts above yours (or even just my quote of it). Interestingly enough, three people in the line of succession all resigned so it's not clear what happens next:

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The deputy leader of the Senate, Jeanine Áñez, said she would assume power as interim leader until elections were held.

Ms Áñez made the announcement after Vice-President Álvaro García, Senate leader Adriana Salvatierra and House of Deputies' leader Victor Borda had all resigned, leaving her next in line to take over power temporarily.

"I assume this challenge with the only objective to call new elections," she said. "This is simply a transitional phase."

The opposition politician said she would convene the legislative assembly later on Monday to be confirmed as interim president.

But with Mr Morales' party in control of both the Senate and the House of Deputies it is not clear if she will get the necessary backing from legislators.

 

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Good to see Evo go in Bolivia, but what they really need now is fresh elections (with no Evo), which doesn't seem to be on the cards.

On Chile, I'm not convinced that constitutional reform is the way to go. The post-Pinochet system hasn't served Chile badly on a relative basis and you would certainly rather be Chilean than, say, Argentinian at the moment (ETA: assuming you are not caught up in the police brutality :/). What surprises me is that Pinera even managed to win that last election if the mood in Chile is more towards big government and redistribution. 

We are almost in need of a Latin American politics thread with everything going on!

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1 hour ago, Paxter said:

Good to see Evo go in Bolivia, but what they really need now is fresh elections (with no Evo), which doesn't seem to be on the cards.

On Chile, I'm not convinced that constitutional reform is the way to go. The post-Pinochet system hasn't served Chile badly on a relative basis and you would certainly rather be Chilean than, say, Argentinian at the moment (ETA: assuming you are not caught up in the police brutality :/). What surprises me is that Pinera even managed to win that last election if the mood in Chile is more towards big government and redistribution. 

We are almost in need of a Latin American politics thread with everything going on!

You are wrong on every single thing (except for the latin american thread) . But to put it simply, the only way to start fixing the very deep seeded problems in chile is through a new conatitution, cuz if you dont know (and its clear that you dont), the consitution that we have its illegitimate from conception, redacted behind walls with no imput from thw people and (and this is key) under a brutal dictatorship. 

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