Do you think Jon will visit Tyrion, Sam, Bran and Sansa in the future?

[Kaapstad]

13 minutes ago, JagLover said:

The symbolism of the scene strongly suggested otherwise. Jon taking one last look back at the lands south of the wall, and the gate then being closed behind him. 

Then why was he wearing NW uniform? If they wanted to clinch the deal, why not have him wear wildlings gear or show him throwing off his cloak as he enters the forest?

[a girl knows nothing]

10 hours ago, JagLover said:

The symbolism of the scene strongly suggested otherwise. Jon taking one last look back at the lands south of the wall, and the gate then being closed behind him. 

To me, the choice of Jon’s costume symbolized that he was back where he started, in the Nights Watch. He is wearing his old black uniform that he hasn’t worn in several seasons, and it distinctly set him apart from the Wildlings he was riding with. 

As for his final look over his shoulder, I thought that served to give the audience a last look at Jon’s face, and the gate closing coincided with the end of the story - like shutting a book.

The scene can certainly be interpreted both ways though. This is just how it came across to me.

[Kaapstad]

D&D don’t have the courage to commit to an ending. If he is going to stay with the free folk, have him wear wildlings gear, show him waving goodbye to the NW officers or smiling or having a dialogue with Tormund. 

If he stays at the Wall, then why have him escort the wildlings? Just show him watching them from top and waving farewell to Tormund. 

The truth is they know Jon’s fan base is huge and don’t want to piss off anyone and so they left it open ended so we can argue forever. 

You know you have screwed up the ending when one of your cast Sophie Turner claims he stays at Castle Black when asked if he went with the wildlings which isn’t what the ending portrays as a confirmation. 

[JagLover]

46 minutes ago, a girl knows nothing said:

To me, the choice of Jon’s costume symbolized that he was back where he started, in the Nights Watch. He is wearing his old black uniform that he hasn’t worn in several seasons, and it distinctly set him apart from the Wildlings he was riding with. 

As for his final look over his shoulder, I thought that served to give the audience a last look at Jon’s face, and the gate closing coincided with the end of the story - like shutting a book.

The scene can certainly be interpreted both ways though. This is just how it came across to me.

Fair enough perhaps I am reading too much into symbolism created by D&D, who after all kind of forgot to give us a proper ending. 

[TheNecromancerofMirkwood]

While I think Jon has been acting stupidly out of character for a long time on the show, I just cannot imagine that he somehow DOESN'T keep his word to stay in The Night's Watch. No, he was escorting the Free Folk to where ever it was Tormund was taking them as well as ranging to gather information on the state of the North. If he was honorable enough to admit to shanking Daenerys, then he's honorable enough to accept his fate (as f'd up as it it), because he's an honorable fool. And yes, Benioff and Weiss are 2 hacks who cannot even give a decent resolution to a long running storyline. Closure is what the fans wanted, not this muddled "will he/won't he" BS, especially not after they "muh subverted expecatashuns!" all over the story. It would have been fitting had the 2 escorting Jon to the wall be Benioff and Weiss as cameos since they deserve to be sentenced to The Wall for this crapola.

At the very least Bran and/or Sansa should have repurposed the Night's Watch to be more like the late Roman Imperial Limitanei at Hadrian's Wall (which they are partially inspired by anyway) or even more modern French Foreign Legion: a stint of service for "the Realm" for a specified period of time (10-20 yrs) before being allowed to settle on The Gift/The New Gift or Beyond the Wall. They would be allowed to take up a family after their service (their debt to society paid, essentially) and would constitute a ready-reserve force to man the wall.

[Kaapstad]

16 hours ago, TheNecromancerofMirkwood said:

While I think Jon has been acting stupidly out of character for a long time on the show, I just cannot imagine that he somehow DOESN'T keep his word to stay in The Night's Watch. No, he was escorting the Free Folk to where ever it was Tormund was taking them as well as ranging to gather information on the state of the North. If he was honorable enough to admit to shanking Daenerys, then he's honorable enough to accept his fate (as f'd up as it it), because he's an honorable fool. And yes, Benioff and Weiss are 2 hacks who cannot even give a decent resolution to a long running storyline. Closure is what the fans wanted, not this muddled "will he/won't he" BS, especially not after they "muh subverted expecatashuns!" all over the story. It would have been fitting had the 2 escorting Jon to the wall be Benioff and Weiss as cameos since they deserve to be sentenced to The Wall for this crapola.

At the very least Bran and/or Sansa should have repurposed the Night's Watch to be more like the late Roman Imperial Limitanei at Hadrian's Wall (which they are partially inspired by anyway) or even more modern French Foreign Legion: a stint of service for "the Realm" for a specified period of time (10-20 yrs) before being allowed to settle on The Gift/The New Gift or Beyond the Wall. They would be allowed to take up a family after their service (their debt to society paid, essentially) and would constitute a ready-reserve force to man the wall.

He broke his vows for Ygritte. And he left the NW to fight for Robb at one point. After dying he left the Nights Watch. I would say he can be dishonourable at times. 

[a girl knows nothing]

On 5/26/2019 at 12:23 PM, TheNecromancerofMirkwood said:

While I think Jon has been acting stupidly out of character for a long time on the show, I just cannot imagine that he somehow DOESN'T keep his word to stay in The Night's Watch. No, he was escorting the Free Folk to where ever it was Tormund was taking them as well as ranging to gather information on the state of the North. If he was honorable enough to admit to shanking Daenerys, then he's honorable enough to accept his fate (as f'd up as it it), because he's an honorable fool.

I agree. I also think he probably felt he deserved to be punished (even if it was a hollow sort of punishment compared to being executed). He was very conflicted about killing Dany - not only because he pledged his loyalty to her as his queen, but because he loved her. Now he can ruminate over murdering his lover/queen and all the other questionably dishonorable things he did in his life until he dies, cold and sad. After all, nobody broods like Jon Snow.

[Kaapstad]

1 hour ago, a girl knows nothing said:

I agree. I also think he probably felt he deserved to be punished (even if it was a hollow sort of punishment compared to being executed). He was very conflicted about killing Dany - not only because he pledged his loyalty to her as his queen, but because he loved her. Now he can ruminate over murdering his lover/queen and all the other questionably dishonorable things he did in his life until he dies, cold and sad. After all, nobody broods like Jon Snow.

Which sucks as Jon seems to be the only one on the show to get a sad ending. Everyone else got what they want, including Bron who even gets Highgarden and master of coin. Sam breaks his vows, escapes the NW and becomes grand master! He has suggested Jon's name for every position so far but doesn't say a word when they decide who is to be king. I would have preferred, Drogon killing Jon once he kills Dany, then he burns the Iron throne and flies away.

[a girl knows nothing]

53 minutes ago, Kaapstad said:

Which sucks as Jon seems to be the only one on the show to get a sad ending.

I know! Maybe that’s what they meant by “bittersweet?” Bitter for Jon and Dany (and Jaime and Cersei too)... pretty sweet for everyone else.