Ser Scot A Ellison Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, Rhom said: To say nothing of all the politics/social agenda in TOS of course. First interracial kiss on TV. The half black/half white guys who hated each other. etc “Let This Be Your Last Battlefield”: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindwalker Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 I only heard of this a couple of days ago and I must say I'm excited! Love Picard almost as much a I love Sir Patrick. May he live long and prosper. Both of them. That said, I'm also fearful they might leave everything that was ST in the dust (from the looks of it, previous movies and shows have) just for the sake of action, edginess, new hip young actors and such... From what I've heard of alternate timelines and other stuff, I'm desperately out of the loop. For example, if the destruction of Romulus took place in that Kelvin timeline, why is it canon now? I watched TG and a lot of DS9, until it became too Sisko-centric, amongst other things, for me. Back then. Great to see Seven, sort-of-Data, and Hugh back. Troi, too, although I never much liked her romance with Riker. I would love it if at least Seven, Data/whoever he is now and Hugh could be recurring characters. Oh, and LOL to the dog's name! I also prefer overarching storylines (if done well) to episodic ones, so that's a plus for me. I'm not a huge fan of the "S/he is the chosen one" trope, and it looks like they're doing that with Picard's daughter or whoever she is. Actually, I just read a theory she's Troi's/ Riker's daughter?! Hm. Oh well, if she could channel a little of her grandmother, that would make for some fun comedy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhom Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 31 minutes ago, Mindwalker said: From what I've heard of alternate timelines and other stuff, I'm desperately out of the loop. For example, if the destruction of Romulus took place in that Kelvin timeline, why is it canon now? Think of the branching timelines as explained in the Avengers movie. There is an event that occurs and from there two separate timelines branch off, existing simultaneously. So in the Trek Prime timeline, Romulus explodes and everything continues on as otherwise. In the Kelvin timeline, Romulus explodes and Spock/the mining ship with Borg technology captained by Eric Bana go back in time. In this one, changes ripple out due to the presence of these in the past. Planet Vulcan is destroyed. The Federation has reverse engineered the Borg mining ship and is more militant, etc. Both timelines exist. The three recent Star Trek movies all happen in the Kelvin timeline. This show is set in the original timeline, post destruction of Romulus, but everything else seen on TV/film all happened as originally shown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindwalker Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 LOL, never watched The Avengers, but you explained it very well, thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvinus85 Posted January 20, 2020 Author Share Posted January 20, 2020 I do hope we see this Romulus destruction and evacuation thing. I'm curious to learn the percentage of the population that was saved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red snow Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 I watched 'yesterday's enterprise' from TNG and i couldn't help but think it would be a brave but potentially fun idea to put an end to the movie timeline. Similarly, it'd be interesting if a similar approach was applied to "discovery" eg has their appearance in the far future created the trek universe as we currently know it (assuming they don't return) or has it created an alt timeline while they are missing? You'd think so given the spore drive, AI and drone weaponry they possess. Of course this would assume the current showrunners have watched TNG or even care to have continuity amongst shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindwalker Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 Trying to find info on the show, surfin the ST webs, so many memories came back to me... long-forgotten characters exiting early (that blonde lieutenant during the first couple of TNG seasons; Ro Laren!!!); other favorites like Barclay, Kira, Garak, and Odo... Wesley Crusher... KIDDING! Voyager wasted so much potential, but I still liked it overall. I just leaned that Rene Auberjonois passed away in December. Such a great actor. As a Babylon 5 fan (more so than ST), I should be used to the protagonists passing away, but I'm not. In all the ST series so far, has there really been only one female captain (of the main/ central starship or space station, respectively)?! Lame. ETA: Wait, I just realized that "Michael" on Discovery is not a man. Heard some good things about it, so maybe I'll give it a go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumHam Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 28 minutes ago, Mindwalker said: I just leaned that Rene Auberjonois passed away in December. Such a great actor. As a Babylon 5 fan (more so than ST), I should be used to the protagonists passing away, but I'm not. Aron Eisenberg who played Nog died in september. 2 hours ago, Corvinus said: I do hope we see this Romulus destruction and evacuation thing. I'm curious to learn the percentage of the population that was saved. Some of it has been illuminated by a prequel comic and the Short Trek episode "Children of Mars" I haven't read/seen either, but I do read those screenrant articles about them that pop up on my google news feed. My understanding is: The Romulans tell the federation they have X people to evacuate, but then it turns out that number was only Romulans. They planned to leave the Remans from Nemesis and other enslaved species to die. Also some Romulans still don't trust the Federation and think the rescue fleet is an invasion fleet, so they kidnap Picard and attack the shipyards orbiting mars where most of the fleet is being built. Possibly even killing LaForge, who was running the place. So it seems save to assume they didn't save nearly as many people as they could have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Richard II Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Tarantino’s proposed Trek movie was rumored to be heavily based on Yesterday’s enterprise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvinus85 Posted January 21, 2020 Author Share Posted January 21, 2020 3 hours ago, RumHam said: Aron Eisenberg who played Nog died in september. Some of it has been illuminated by a prequel comic and the Short Trek episode "Children of Mars" I haven't read/seen either, but I do read those screenrant articles about them that pop up on my google news feed. My understanding is: Reveal hidden contents The Romulans tell the federation they have X people to evacuate, but then it turns out that number was only Romulans. They planned to leave the Remans from Nemesis and other enslaved species to die. Also some Romulans still don't trust the Federation and think the rescue fleet is an invasion fleet, so they kidnap Picard and attack the shipyards orbiting mars where most of the fleet is being built. Possibly even killing LaForge, who was running the place. So it seems save to assume they didn't save nearly as many people as they could have. I just signed up for CBS Access and watched the Children of Mars short. Without the context you gave me here, I would have been confused, but it does connect to Picard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceChampion Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Brief breakdown of the characters https://www.ctvscifi.ca/star-trek-picard-new-characters/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch-MaesterPhilip Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 14 hours ago, RumHam said: Aron Eisenberg who played Nog died in september. Some of it has been illuminated by a prequel comic and the Short Trek episode "Children of Mars" I haven't read/seen either, but I do read those screenrant articles about them that pop up on my google news feed. My understanding is: Reveal hidden contents The Romulans tell the federation they have X people to evacuate, but then it turns out that number was only Romulans. They planned to leave the Remans from Nemesis and other enslaved species to die. Also some Romulans still don't trust the Federation and think the rescue fleet is an invasion fleet, so they kidnap Picard and attack the shipyards orbiting mars where most of the fleet is being built. Possibly even killing LaForge, who was running the place. So it seems save to assume they didn't save nearly as many people as they could have. Based on Children of Mars didn't they establish that it was someone else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red snow Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 12 hours ago, Darth Richard II said: Tarantino’s proposed Trek movie was rumored to be heavily based on Yesterday’s enterprise Might have been interesting if he'd done something with that crew or the alt world that temporarily existed. Maybe when Tarantino breaks his 10 film promise (which he already has if being pedantic about him directing) he'll reconsider. Or maybe he can at least produce it. The "lets watch star trek" team have seen the first three episodes and they say the show is really promising for fans of TNG saying unlike "Discovery/JJ abrams" it's not breakneck speed with loads of action to distract from a flimsy premise. They also say that while the characters seem to fit very specific roles/niches they are surprisingly likeable. Maybe Chabon is a big fan of the next gen and is trying his best to maintain some of that feel given the presence of Picard and others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumHam Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 4 hours ago, Arch-MaesterPhilip said: Based on Children of Mars didn't they establish that it was someone else? As I said I haven't turned my all access back on to watch it yet. I was basing that on this article: https://screenrant.com/star-trek-picard-retired-reason-why/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williamjm Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 16 hours ago, Corvinus said: I just signed up for CBS Access and watched the Children of Mars short. Without the context you gave me here, I would have been confused, but it does connect to Picard. Annoyingly, there doesn't seem to be any sign of Children of Mars (or the rest of the second season of Short Treks) being available in the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red snow Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 2 hours ago, williamjm said: Annoyingly, there doesn't seem to be any sign of Children of Mars (or the rest of the second season of Short Treks) being available in the UK. I did some searching and there were accounts saying Netflix didn't bother picking them up. Doesn't bode well for continued relationship. Maybe Amazon will pick them up and future seasons of discovery? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maltaran Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 If it’s anything like the last ones they’ll appear when the next season of Discovery starts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvinus85 Posted January 21, 2020 Author Share Posted January 21, 2020 3 hours ago, RumHam said: As I said I haven't turned my all access back on to watch it yet. I was basing that on this article: https://screenrant.com/star-trek-picard-retired-reason-why/ Based on this, the comic is much more critical than the Trek short to understand the background surrounding the destruction of Romulus and why Picard retired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch-MaesterPhilip Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 4 hours ago, RumHam said: As I said I haven't turned my all access back on to watch it yet. I was basing that on this article: https://screenrant.com/star-trek-picard-retired-reason-why/ I thought I missed something for a second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumHam Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, Arch-MaesterPhilip said: I thought I missed something for a second. No, I think they were just making assumptions that I mistakenly remembered as facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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