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UK Politics: The End of May

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3 minutes ago, BigFatCoward said:

@Heartofice What % of brexit voters would you guestimate to be racists?  Just a ball park figure.

What % of anything is racist? How would you ever answer such a question? 

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1 hour ago, Heartofice said:

Whatever you might think of Farage, you still want to characterise 40% of voters as racists, which is basically where you argument begins and ends because there is no conversation to be had when you come out with things like that. 

Well okay 40% is a stretch. So let's say at least 30% are racist because that's the percentage that voted for the Brexit party.

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1 hour ago, polishgenius said:

Well okay 40% is a stretch. So let's say at least 30% are racist because that's the percentage that voted for the Brexit party.

You're not helping yourself.

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2 hours ago, Heartofice said:

which is basically where you argument begins and ends because there is no conversation to be had when you come out with things like that.

Um no, argument doesn’t end because one side states the facts of racism, the argument end because the racist side throws a fit when the word “racist” is used and starts yelling that the first side “shut the argument down.” This is fundamentally a tautology.

the argument can resume when the racist side is ready and willing to acknowledge the fact of their racism.

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26 minutes ago, lokisnow said:

Um no, argument doesn’t end because one side states the facts of racism, the argument end because the racist side throws a fit when the word “racist” is used and starts yelling that the first side “shut the argument down.” This is fundamentally a tautology.

the argument can resume when the racist side is ready and willing to acknowledge the fact of their racism.

What “facts” are these?

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We literally talked about the racist bells in NUKIP (aka the Brexit party) in the previous UK politics thread.

I am too lazy to copy and paste the same links again. But convincing you that your Brexit buddies are to no small part a bunch of racist cunts is like talking a thick brick wall.

A Brexit party vote was mainly a vote for racists by racists. You don't like it? Tough luck.

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8 minutes ago, A Horse Named Stranger said:

We literally talked about the racist bells in NUKIP (aka the Brexit party) in the previous UK politics thread.

I am too lazy to copy and paste the same links again. But convincing you that your Brexit buddies are to no small part a bunch of racist cunts is like talking a thick brick wall.

A Brexit party vote was mainly a vote for racists by racists. You don't like it? Tough luck.

I’d say much of what you posted was far from proof of anything.

But let’s say I concede Farage was a racist ( I’m not but let’s just imagine) and he had racists in his party. The question then is why are people who are not racists put into a position where they have to vote for the Brexit Party or UKIP

If no other party is willing to deal with the problems of EU membership and immigration , and any concerns about these things are dismissed as purely racist, then those voters are going to turn to the only people willing to listen. 

You see the same pattern all across Europe. 

If the mainstream parties are not willing to deliver Brexit or put controls on rapid immigration then where do voters turn?

Edited by Heartofice

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4 minutes ago, Soylent Brown said:

I'm not racist, I just hate those filthy fucking immigrants and wish they'd stay in their own countries. Is that too much to ask?

When a non-racist party comes along with those sensibilities, I'll happily vote for them.

But really they’re fighting to preserve Britain’s ‘precious’ culture of drinking European beer, eating indian/italian etc food, wearing clothes made in the 3rd world, and watching American TV.

 

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Lol. You guys are demonstrating EXACTLY what I’m talking about here. You unironically don’t even see it either. It is sadly quite tragic but I guess that is how it is.

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Right. We're making you hate immigrants even more than you already do by making fun of you for thinking that hating immigrants isn't racist.

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27 minutes ago, Soylent Brown said:

I'm not racist, I just hate those filthy fucking immigrants and wish they'd stay in their own countries. Is that too much to ask?

When a non-racist party comes along with those sensibilities, I'll happily vote for them.

Oh and we can't actually do anything to see to the creation of such a party, or to move a current party in that direction, you see we "have" to vote to the racist party.

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2 minutes ago, Soylent Brown said:

Right. We're making you hate immigrants even more than you already do by making fun of you for thinking that hating immigrants isn't racist.

It goes like this:

Brexiter: ’ I think maybe there might be a little too much immigration happening in this country, as we are having unprecedentedly huge numbers arriving and I’m concerned with the rate of change. What can we do about it’

Remainer: ‘ Waaaah you disgusting racist!! You scumbag Nazi!!’

Brexiter: ‘ umm no it’s just that the levels of change are too fast, I don’t have a problem with immigration but need to have controls’

Remainer: ‘ Nazi!!’ Well you can’t control immigration, there is literally nothing you can do.. so shut the hell up about it! Everything is global now!

Remainer ‘ Oh and by the way, you don’t have a culture , it’s worthless.. what is it eating chips?? Nazi!!’ Everyone elses culture is brilliant but yours is shit and doesn’t even exist.. cos you’re just like.. a Nazi!!’

You might see how that might turn people off.  Governments and the media weren’t listening to genuine concerns about immigration as well as a lack of sovereignty and so voters end up having to turn to whoever is going to listen. 

Reducing anyone’s genuine concerns about immigration to ‘oh they must be racists’ doesn’t help anyone. I just find it ironic that so many in here keep trotting out the same ignorant tropes 3 years after the vote

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Things I've learned today: Abusing brown people in the streets and telling them to fuck off back to where they came from isn't racist behaviour, it's 'showing concern'.

There are already immigration controls.

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3 minutes ago, Heartofice said:

 

Reducing anyone’s genuine concerns about immigration to ‘oh they must be racists’ doesn’t help anyone. I just find it ironic that so many in here keep trotting out the same ignorant tropes 3 years after the vote



As long as people keep voting for racists, we'll keep trotting them out. You can claim that you're not racist and your complaints are valid all you like, but if your only option is to ally with racists or you can't get it done you have to wonder about (1) your priorities and (2) the validity of your concerns in the first place if the majority of non-racist educated opinion is that we're fine.


What does 'rate of change' even mean in this context?

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2 minutes ago, Soylent Brown said:

Things I've learned today: Abusing brown people in the streets and telling them to fuck off back to where they came from isn't racist behaviour, it's 'showing concern'.

There are already immigration controls.

Sigh :bang:

Did you miss the massive  numbers of Eastern European’s who arrived in the last decade?

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4 minutes ago, Heartofice said:

Did you miss the massive  numbers of Eastern European’s who arrived in the last decade?



Why are they a concern? 

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27 minutes ago, polishgenius said:



Why are they a concern? 

Stop asking question. Just accept your responsibility for their racism, and report to the nearest police station submit to your punishment.

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1 hour ago, Heartofice said:

Sigh :bang:

Did you miss the massive  numbers of Eastern European’s who arrived in the last decade?

It's all been downhill since Vortigern let all those Saxons in, hasn't it?

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