Eltharion21 Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 First of all, How Dare You. Second: When you acknowledged fact that pilot episode had serious issues in script, why didn't you hire additional help in later seasons when you decided to omit, merge or change lot of story-lines from Feast and Dance, especially after Season 4? Example of the issues was often posted on various entertainment sites: Quote After the pilot was finally produced, it didn't take long for the co-creators to realize it was inadequate, and the responsibility for those misgivings laid squarely with them. As Benioff would later admit to Variety, "we got everything wrong on a very basic level with the writing of it." He and Weiss screened the episode for some friends, including screenwriter Craig Mazin, and said, "Watching them watch the pilot was a deeply humiliating, painful experience, because these are very smart individuals, and it just clearly wasn't working for any of them on a very basic level." Mazin reportedly told them right away, "You guys have a massive problem." One of the major issues he and others pointed out with the initial pilot was the fact that they couldn't figure out why Jaime would push Bran from the window at the end of the episode. "Jaime is lying with his sister, Cersei, and none of [our friends] realized that Jaime and Cersei were brother and sister, which is a major, major plot point that we had somehow failed to establish," Benioff remembered. The network brass reportedly warred over whether to even fund a second try, but HBO confirmed that it would greenlight a 10-episode first season for the series, and the process of re-casting those key characters got underway. Read More: https://www.looper.com/148240/the-untold-truth-of-game-of-thrones-original-unaired-pilot/?utm_campaign=clip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gendelsdottir Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 21 hours ago, Vanadis said: Why were there so many scenes with prostitutes in the first seasons, and none in season 8? Okay, I'll tackle this one. We know that soldiers and sailors were dropping like flies all throughout the War of the Five Kings and afterward. Those gallant fighting men regenerated like magic every time the need arose. At first this was a straightforward process. After a certain length of time, the economy shrank, the available exchequers so badly drained that fighters respawned with uniforms, but without gold in their purses. The vast majority of working girls decamped to Essos, where they could count on a more stable return for their labor. I won't pose a new question, since there are still several outstanding: On 6/9/2019 at 5:43 PM, Kaapstad said: The million dollar question. Does Jon stay at the NW or does he go stay with the wildlings? will Dany be revived as the dragon is heading to Volantis? Will Arya die as she is implied to be heading in a direction no one has returned from? On 6/7/2019 at 8:28 PM, Lollygag said: If you were so overwhelmed and overextended, why didn't you delegate writing duties to other writers who would have loved the job? Or why didn't you just resign from the show altogether and pass the reigns to others? 58 minutes ago, Eltharion21 said: When you acknowledged fact that pilot episode had serious issues in script, why didn't you hire additional help in later seasons when you decided to omit, merge or change lot of story-lines from Feast and Dance, especially after Season 4? Indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Hedge Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Gendelsdottir said: The million dollar question. Does Jon stay at the NW or does he go stay with the wildlings? D1: It won't really matter eventually. Well y'know, Sansa's so smart that eventually both the NW and the wildlings have to bend the knee to her and she's going to be Queen in the North, Queen on the Wall, Queen beyond the Wall, Queen of the real North, Queen of the Free Folk, the shadow cats, unicorns and ubersized snow bears (not zombiefied), Queen of as far north as you can get including the Lands of Always Winter and beyond to whatever's on the other side, wait, wait, wait, I just thought of something, that's where Arya's going ..... D2: Holy crap, and we didn't take up the rights to the sequels and spin-offs? D1: Who says we didn't, get Plepler on the phone, no one else has got them either D2: But Kit said, he didn't want to do any more .... D1: Who the hell is Kit? Get Sophie, Maisie, Jerome and Peter's agents on the line. Let's line this up for 2022, the Star Wars fans are gluttons for punishment, but even they might have their limits ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desire Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 Honestly I would just ask why? As soon as they ran out of books it was over and the blind led the blind and this is it.. All hail the wooden wheel chair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanadis Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 On 6/9/2019 at 9:43 AM, Kaapstad said: will Dany be revived as the dragon is heading to Volantis? Will Arya die as she is implied to be heading in a direction no one has returned from? Dany: Since powerful magic has warped time and space, as evidenced by many people's newfound ability to teleport, Drogon will not reach Volantis. Instead he continues east until he reaches Aman or the Undying Lands where he meets Frodo and the elves who travelled west from Middle Earth. Galadriel resurrects Dany. Arya: Upon reaching the Seven Isles Arya will meet prince Caspian who travelled east from Narnia. She may or may not marry him, we have yet to decide. It depends on whether the spin off series about Arya is going to be a children's series or a darker tale. Questions yet left unanswered: On 6/7/2019 at 12:28 PM, Lollygag said: If you were so overwhelmed and overextended, why didn't you delegate writing duties to other writers who would have loved the job? Or why didn't you just resign from the show altogether and pass the reigns to others? On 6/10/2019 at 12:43 PM, Eltharion21 said: When you acknowledged fact that pilot episode had serious issues in script, why didn't you hire additional help in later seasons when you decided to omit, merge or change lot of story-lines from Feast and Dance, especially after Season 4? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apoplexy Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 @Lollygag asked: If you were so overwhelmed and overextended, why didn't you delegate writing duties to other writers who would have loved the job? Or why didn't you just resign from the show altogether and pass the reigns to others? A: Why does a dog lick his balls? Because he can and because we could and did want to hog all the limelight. Q: When did Mellisandre forget about her obsession with Azor Ahai? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aryya Stark Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 What was the point of the Golden Company? Why were the dragons vulnerable to the scorpions in episode 5 and Drogon was immune in episode 6? What was the point of Cersie being pregnant? Why did Euron attack Jaime? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigella Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 4 hours ago, Aryya Stark said: What was the point of the Golden Company? "Its something we took note of in our meeting with GRRM but we kind of forgot what they were there for lol idk" 4 hours ago, Aryya Stark said: Why were the dragons vulnerable to the scorpions in episode 5 and Drogon was immune in episode 6? "We wanted to subvert expectations: like dragons are really powerful, right, so we needed to kill them off. Also CGI costs lol idk" 4 hours ago, Aryya Stark said: What was the point of Cersie being pregnant? "We kind of forgot. lol idk" 4 hours ago, Aryya Stark said: Why did Euron attack Jaime? "The War for Cersei's #### lol idk" Question: With hindsight, would you still add 13 minutes to every episode with yourselves shamelessly gloating over this train wreck season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah Michelle Gellar Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 7 hours ago, Sigella said: Question: With hindsight, would you still add 13 minutes to every episode with yourselves shamelessly gloating over this train wreck season? Answer: We’d extend them to twenty minutes each because the audience still doesn’t appreciate or understand our creative vision. Question: WTF is up with the symbols that the White Walkers liked to leave behind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis is the man....nis Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 If you guys knew George was going to have Bran win the game why didn’t you guys give him some more important things to do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanadis Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 2 hours ago, Stannis is the man....nis said: If you guys knew George was going to have Bran win the game why didn’t you guys give him some more important things to do? What do you mean? Bran did did lots of important stuff. You could see in his expression that he was being extremely powerful and using his abilities to change outcomes over and over. It's all in there. It's not our fault that the audience didn't manage to perceive and interpret the nuances of the look in his eyes. Watch the episodes again and you'll realize how brilliant it all was. Question: 2 hours ago, Sarah Michelle Gellar said: Question: WTF is up with the symbols that the White Walkers liked to leave behind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aryya Stark Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 On 6/13/2019 at 12:29 AM, Sigella said: "Its something we took note of in our meeting with GRRM but we kind of forgot what they were there for lol idk" "We wanted to subvert expectations: like dragons are really powerful, right, so we needed to kill them off. Also CGI costs lol idk" "We kind of forgot. lol idk" "The War for Cersei's #### lol idk" Question: With hindsight, would you still add 13 minutes to every episode with yourselves shamelessly gloating over this train wreck season? lol, I can't stop laughing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aryya Stark Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 Where was Ghost all this time? Why did he show up for the battle at Winterfell and how did he lose his ear? What was the point of the Starks having the wolves? In Season 1 Jon said they were meant to have the wolves and then they sort of forgot about them lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 Why did Tyrion and Varys give Dany bad military advice all the time? Were they betraying her, or was this just bad writing on your part? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RYShh Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 40 minutes ago, SeanF said: Why did Tyrion and Varys give Dany bad military advice all the time? Were they betraying her, or was this just bad writing on your part? I don't remember Varys giving any military advice. As for Tyrion, his strategy was not bad about capturing the Casterly Rock, he just underestimated Jaime and his Highgarden plan. As for getting ambushed by Euron at Dragonstone, D&D said ''Dany kind of forgot'' that So I guess that was her fault, not Tyrion's. They should've never split their forces, and they should've marched with Jon and the Northern armies from the land without hurrying up. But no, Daenerys wanted to fly over there with her dragons she always wanted to show off and she wanted to show her difference as ''Dragon Queen'', so she kind of forgot and get Rhaegal and Missandei killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legba11 Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 On 6/13/2019 at 2:25 AM, Vanadis said: Question: WTF is up with the symbols that the White Walkers liked to leave behind? The White Walkers are the real heroes of the series. They are tragic heroes as they fail to accomplish their task of uniting the 9 kingdoms, including the Wildlings and The Dead. Those symbols are their universal symbol of peace. If you watch carefully, the White Walkers never initiate violence, they slowly walk up to begin negotiations and people start killing them because they are ugly. They are forced to defend. Even then, they grant a rebirth to all the aggressors who die attacking them. I mean we made this pretty obvious. We gave you no one else to root for with our skilled writing. How the audience did not get that the WW's were the good guys is a mystery to us. I mean their final scene is the Night King about to bend the knee to the future king Bran even after sexual predator and child murderer Theon tries to kill them. We figured killing that toad would put them over with the audience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 22 minutes ago, RYShh said: I don't remember Varys giving any military advice. As for Tyrion, his strategy was not bad about capturing the Casterly Rock, he just underestimated Jaime and his Highgarden plan. As for getting ambushed by Euron at Dragonstone, D&D said ''Dany kind of forgot'' that So I guess that was her fault, not Tyrion's. They should've never split their forces, and they should've marched with Jon and the Northern armies from the land without hurrying up. But no, Daenerys wanted to fly over there with her dragons she always wanted to show off and she wanted to show her difference as ''Dragon Queen'', so she kind of forgot and get Rhaegal and Missandei killed. Talking her out of obliterating the Red Keep, which would have finished the war in 30 minutes, at a fraction of the final casualty total. Proposing the wight hunt, which cost her a dragon, and nearly got Jon killed. Telling her that Cersei would keep her end of the bargain, after his private meeting with her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It_spelt_Magalhaes Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 55 minutes ago, Aryya Stark said: Why did he show up for the battle at Winterfell and how did he lose his ear? We thought it was the hip place to be. Kids want to be edgy, you know? We thought creatively it made sense to make a PSA about the dangers of unsanitary body modification. Why did you decide dragon fire is not magical napalm but actually some kind of plastic explosive? Wouldn't the people Daeny dracarys'ed kind of blow up too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RYShh Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 12 minutes ago, SeanF said: Talking her out of obliterating the Red Keep, which would have finished the war in 30 minutes, at a fraction of the final casualty total. Proposing the wight hunt, which cost her a dragon, and nearly got Jon killed. Telling her that Cersei would keep her end of the bargain, after his private meeting with her. A- You don't know if Cersei is on the Red Keep or not, even if she was there she could easily escape as they were going to do during the siege. B- Daenerys could get shot by an arrow or her dragons by a Scorpion, risking it is stupid as well as killing innocent people, surrounding the city is a much better and smarter plan even Jon agreed with that when she asked his opinion at Dragonstone. Proposing the wight hunt was smart, but then Jon get surrounded by the army of the dead and the Daenerys went there, Tyrion said otherwise, you were not following, Tyrion never said her to go beyond the wall and help them, he said no and he said they knew the risks, that was Daenerys's and Jon's fault, not Tyrion's. Both Daenerys and Jon should never go beyond the wall, she was a Queen and Jon was KitN. Trusting Cersei was a mistake, but it's not a military mistake, you said he made military mistakes. Even Jaime refused to obey Cersei after she tricked them so, I can't really blame Tyrion for that, and it wasn't a military mistake anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 14 minutes ago, RYShh said: A- You don't know if Cersei is on the Red Keep or not, even if she was there she could easily escape as they were going to do during the siege. B- Daenerys could get shot by an arrow or her dragons by a Scorpion, risking it is stupid as well as killing innocent people, surrounding the city is a much better and smarter plan even Jon agreed with that when she asked his opinion at Dragonstone. Proposing the wight hunt was smart, but then Jon get surrounded by the army of the dead and the Daenerys went there, Tyrion said otherwise, you were not following, Tyrion never said her to go beyond the wall and help them, he said no and he said they knew risk, that was Daenerys's and Jon's fault, not Tyrion's. Both Daenerys and Jon should never go beyond the wall, she was a Queen and Jon was KitN. Trusting Cersei was a mistake, but it's not a military mistake, you said he made military mistakes. Even Jaime refused to obey Cersei after she tricked them so, I can't really blame Tyrion for that, and it wasn't a military mistake anyway. Three Dragons would make short work of the Red Keep, however many scorpions there were. Even if Cersei escapes, she's just going to be a powerless fugitive. And, far more innocent people would die in a siege than in burning the Red Keep. Alternatively, march on Kings Landing, and give Cersei's soldiers 24 hours to hand over her head on a spike, or else the burning starts. Proposing that the King in the North risks his life trying to catch a wight is not good advice. I'm happy to change my initial question to "bad advice" rather than "bad military advice." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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