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I hate the Starks, should I keep reading?

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3 hours ago, The Hoare said:

Because Volantis is a powerfull city, not some backwater feudal realm.

What makes you think that the Stormlands are empty? They basically  fought only one battle in the WotFK.

The Spanish Armada was nearly the double of the size of the GC ships. Plus, the commander of that fleet was inexperienced.

It makes sense doesn't it? To starve her and her army there. The ghiscari have no reason to believe that she would just abandon all that she got in the Slaver's Bay for Westeros.

But they do. Insurance already exist in Martinworld.

 

Volantis barely got mentioned as a major player, if at all in Storm of Swords. Then come ADWD they all start coming out of the woodwork because George figures that he needed a bigger supply of bodies to throw in Danys direction. So, tada, suddenly magics up a Byzantine Empire out of nowhere.

Aegon easily taking Griffins Roost and the panic in the Small Council. Him being set up to take Storms End and possibly be joined by Tarly and Dorne once Arriane reaches him. He’s going to win. Otherwise you would have unpopular Cersei on the Throne and possibly illegitimate Boy King. If tyrell folds, the Lords of the South would join Aegon. Those Stormlanders will probably join Aegon.

Even then. It’s a fraction of the distance and it nearly bankrupted Early Modern Spain. You can’t just hurl guys into ships and have it work out. Especially when you aren’t even paying them. The guy pulled Medieval D Day out of his backside.

I can assure you Dany is not going to have a free pass getting her armies to Westeros like aegon got there. We’ll have the inevitable talk about how “it’s too expensive, there aren’t enough ships, the wind keeps us in port, plague wracks the crews as they wait to depart, we can only take a tenth of our Essos armies with us Empress Iam sorry” etc etc etc All part of George rigging the game rather than letting the cards fall as they will.

Considering the Sons of the Harpy and sellswords abandoning her service people should very well know that she wants out. All the slavers have to do is say “yes Dragonqueen, we promise to leave the slaves be and we’ll take you all the way to Westeros”. Then once she’s thousands of miles away they can raze Mereen as they please. However they instead commit themselves to a grand coalition which will at best retake a worthless Mereen (the poorest city in the world BTW) and at worst put them all in one place where Dany can kill them.

What prevents the Dothraki bringing their slaves to a less geographically isolated and impoverished region? Why not take the slaves to Myr or Volantis directly? Tyrion notes the presence of nearby Dothraki. There’s no need for middlemen. Slavers Bay is ridiculous. If it was realistic the slaves would be working extracting resources which Dany should be able to profit from or reward to her followers; think the Southern United States with its agricultural land. Instead their only source of income is the training and exchange of slaves which is ridiculous. I still don’t understand how the Dothraki get to slavers bay considering the Daemon road but...

Apparently the slavers can call a Dothraki horde into mereen like it’s not a big deal. Well apparently this Daemon roads reputation is undeserved or that would be incredibly inconsistent. It seems only Danys allies ever have problems moving around Essos.

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7 hours ago, HelenaExMachina said:

If one of your top 5* was not Kettricken then you can GTFO :P 

 

*as of book 3 anyway, there are simply way too many other great characters introduced in later books so i could forgive her omission.

 

Interestingly, Hobb released Assassin’s Apprentice around the same time as Thrones and has since completed her 16 book series in that world...(to an absolutely beautiful ending i may add)

Kettricken does indeed break top 5, although the only 2 in that 5 which cannot be moved under any circumstances are Burrich and Nighteyes.

 

Yeah, and not only that but her cast is possibly larger, her characters and plots and story possibly more fleshed out and elaborate, and despite the presence of high magic every bit as Human and flawed, yet Hobb seems to be able to overcome these trials.

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2 hours ago, FitzChivalry Fartseer said:

Kettricken does indeed break top 5, although the only 2 in that 5 which cannot be moved under any circumstances are Burrich and Nighteyes.

 

Yeah, and not only that but her cast is possibly larger, her characters and plots and story possibly more fleshed out and elaborate, and despite the presence of high magic every bit as Human and flawed, yet Hobb seems to be able to overcome these trials.

Nighteyes :crying:

Hobb’s non-human characters are just as well done as her human ones. You can tell how much she loves animals

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On 6/13/2019 at 1:14 AM, Tyrion1991 said:

So I didn’t come into the series because of these characters. I came in because of Daenerys and the Game of Thrones plot line; which only very partially involves the Starks. 

I honestly only really liked early Sansa (I think it’s increasingly obvious the character is heading down a grim dark path) and the rest were either boring like Arya/Bran or actively offended me like Jon. 

Should I keep reading? 

I know that the final book was meant to be called a Time for Wolves and the theory that Jon might be Rhaegars son. These things suggest that the series is built upon Stark fan service which would involve pushing aside other characters which I am more invested in.

For example, I actually don’t like the King in the North and Northern Independence thing. It feels forced, rammed down my throat and nationalism is kind of evil. The expectation that I should be rooting for this is disconcerting. Why are they more important than peasants in the Westerlands? Why is their society and culture set on a pedestal? I am not impressed.

So far I can keep reading because there’s enough characters, plot lines and all the Starks are weak with no real power. I am essentially ignoring their existence. Once that changes though and they all become major players I think it will be very difficult for me to carry on with the series. Frankly I skipped most of Jon, Arya and Brans chapters, skim reading them at best. I truly don’t care about them at all. In the case of Jon, even the authors best efforts to paint him in a positive light only increase my disdain and contempt for him.

 

Obvious troll is obvious. But i give you +1 for effort.

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On 6/14/2019 at 11:35 PM, The Mother of The Others said:

Yeah i don't have a glowing opinion of the first men based on the references to them.   Nobody even knows enough about them to really be pro or anti.  They displaced the natives, and the text doesn't glorify that.  The fate of the Children taps into our guilt.  So i don't see the favoritism of first men you spoke of.    The books didn't give the impression we should approve of them.  They just were.   A bare bones skeleton of a myth that evokes misgivings.  

I don't know. Look at all the major characters with FM blood: 

-the Starks
-the Lannisters
-the Baratheons (of course they also have Targ blood)
-Bloodraven aka The Three Eyed-Crow/Raven (who is also half-Targaryen)
-Daenerys

Kind of seems like no matter how it goes, a descendant of the FM is going to end up in charge. 

On 6/14/2019 at 11:35 PM, The Mother of The Others said:

George seems much more obsessed with Targs.   

Aren't we all? ;) I absolutely love the Targs. They're so delightfully dysfunctional--like a soap opera family with live, flying nuclear weapons. That whole "blood of the dragon" superiority, right to rule, bordering on gods-on-earth thing is adorable. Well, it is on some members of the family. Viserys III just came off arrogant, entitled, and insane.

On 6/14/2019 at 11:35 PM, The Mother of The Others said:

  If ice & fire humping is a fix for the targ insanity so we get true dragons like danny again, let's get these magic bloodlines a-humpin' !   

You know that's the best argument for a Jon+Dany endgame I've ever seen. I'm going to have to do some research now into whether any Targs with a non-Targ parent went nutso.

On 6/14/2019 at 11:35 PM, The Mother of The Others said:

What i'm saying is i really don't know how to predict the ending after all this time. 

None of us do, and yes that is what makes it fun (sorry I cut that sentence out). We can certainly trust George (and apparently no one else!) to end it in a way that makes sense.

By the way, I can see some hope for Stannis too. It's slim, but it's there.

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