Br16 Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 15 hours ago, HelenaExMachina said: I rather suspect he may be dead Certainly, but he must die in the context of his palace plundered and in ruins. It would not be poetic GRRM if that didn't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lord of the Crossing Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 Would be possible for Aegon and the GC to liberate Volantis? The slaves in the city can do the job on their own. They outnumber the masters. All they need is a little encouragement from Mhysa. They await the coming of Daenerys Targaryen. I do not think they will fight for Aegon. He is an unknown personality. He doesn't have dragons. He doesn't have a track record of success. All those things that Daenerys has. So no, Aegon and the GC cannot free Volantis because the slaves need someone who can inspire them. That leader is Daenerys Targaryen. It is something only she can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hoare Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 9 minutes ago, The Lord of the Crossing said: All those things that Daenerys has. Not success. The cities she rule/ruled are way worse than before. Part of the volantene slaves would support her only because that's what the red priests want. I don't think any of these slave-soldiers would ever raise in rebellion(they're said to be proud of their station after all) without any kind of religious fervor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Hedge Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 1 hour ago, The Hoare said: Not success. The cities she rule/ruled are way worse than before. Definitely, but the slaves won't know that for sure. Until now they did not even think an uprising was a thing. Certainly, their masters will be bombarding them with all kinds of counter-propaganda, but the idea has been sparked, and there is enough firewood, we just need someone to kindle the spark into flame, which brings us to ... 1 hour ago, The Hoare said: Part of the volantene slaves would support her only because that's what the red priests want. Yep. They are the key. As was discussed up-thread, until now the Red Priests would not have encouraged an uprising, as there seemed no known feasible way to rule the city with freed slaves. Anarchy was the most likely result. Now, there is hope. Even if you know that Mereen was messed up, you can 'improve' on it (in their minds) - maybe eliminate or banish the slaving class altogether, so there is no Harpy (extreme I know, not endorsing it!). For this to work the Red Priests would need some kind of confirmation that Dany will re-base herself in Volantis eventually (if she can get her freedfolk out of Slaver's Bay) if this operation succeeds. Given the asymmetry in holding a city vs storming it, the GC are really only acting as a distraction here, so the slaves take the city by surprise, while it's sealed off from the outside. The priests will need to maintain stability, not sure the (mostly) Rhoynar and Ghiscari masses warm up to yet another silver-haired dude who claims he is Mhysa's nephew. The Dragons are important to the priests because of fire magic as well - which overcomes the history of Valyrian-Rhoynar/Ghiscari conflicts - so ultimately it's all about Dany as a rallying point/Messiah/leader who can keep disparate factions together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowen 747 Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 20 hours ago, The Hoare said: Not success. The cities she rule/ruled are way worse than before. Part of the volantene slaves would support her only because that's what the red priests want. I don't think any of these slave-soldiers would ever raise in rebellion(they're said to be proud of their station after all) without any kind of religious fervor. Worse for the masters. Not so for the former slaves. Slavery in America didn't end without tearing down the south. It takes bringing hell to force the vile slave owners to give up their ways. The most intelligent person in Volantis, the Widow, has the right of it. It's clearly stated for us. The Widow said "tell the Mother that we are waiting". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowen 747 Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 Aegon is not interested in helping the slaves. The GC fight for gold. They don't fight for principles. On the hypothetical idea of them attacking Volantis. It will be a failure without the help from the slaves within. The slaves will have to rebel and take out the masters from the inside. Aegon chose to turn a blind eye to slavery. He had a chance to help his aunt. He chose to go to Westeros instead. Daenerys is more worthy to rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hoare Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 47 minutes ago, Bowen 747 said: Worse for the masters. Not so for the former slaves. Slavery in America didn't end without tearing down the south. It takes bringing hell to force the vile slave owners to give up their ways. The most intelligent person in Volantis, the Widow, has the right of it. It's clearly stated for us. The Widow said "tell the Mother that we are waiting". It is definitely worse for the slaves. Just look at Astapor and it's butcher kings You can't really compare America with Slaver's Bay. It's a completely different world with different social and economic realities. 51 minutes ago, Bowen 747 said: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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