Maltaran Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Jo Swinson is the new Lib Dem leader - just saw she's the first party leader to be born in the 1980s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse Named Stranger Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 On 7/21/2019 at 5:25 PM, Chaircat Meow said: Do you know if Guylian chocolate sea shells will be OK? This might have been the most Tory post thus far. (j/k) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Which Tyler Posted July 23, 2019 Author Share Posted July 23, 2019 Just having a look at the parliamentary maths: https://www.parliament.uk/mps-lords-and-offices/mps/current-state-of-the-parties/. Conservative + DUP have 321/650 seats Sinn Féin and Speaker don't vote (excepting tie-breaks for Bercow) Everyone else has 320 seats. There's 1 vacant in Brecon where they fired their tory MP, and the Tories are standing him again. PC, Green, CHUK and Renew (who?) have all stood aside in favour of the Lib Dem candidate who leads polls by 15%. This by-election is due 1st of August. As of lunchtime today, Boris will have a "workable" majority of 1 (assuming no immediate resignations); which will most likely be down to 0 by the time they get back from holiday. Q1: How many Tory MPs will resign the whip within 24 hours of Boris being announced? So before recess and the chance to kick-start a GE straight away - there's time post-recess, but barely. Q2: Are there any independents that Boris could negotiate with to support the government? most are ex-labour and ex-conservative, so I doubt it, but there may be 1-2 out there. Q3: What happens if Boris can't commant a majority in parliament? Can he try his hand at minority governing (and can we imagine many worse candidates for doing so?) Or does he have to go to the queen and tell her that he can't build a government, and call a GE? Q4: When Boris tries to deny reality and try a minority government - how long before someone else calls for a vote of no-confidence and force a GE? Q5: How do potential Tory defections (whether to LibDem or independent, can't see CHUK getting any) change the maths? How about if they're big names. Obviously, a GE doesn't solve anything, and will necessitate a grand-coalition of some description, probably involving 3 parties (Con + BnP + DUP could probably exist, albeit only in nightmares; but Lab + LibDem + SNP would slmost certainly require Corbyn's resignation) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFatCoward Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 It's Boris, shit is about to get real weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pebble thats Stubby Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 well thats that then. 2:1 for Boris. We are so fucked. I kinda hope that those 501 rejected ballots are all for Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derfel Cadarn Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 Fuck! Does this mean we can’t laugh at the Americans anymore, now that we’ve got our own dishonest, philandering shitbag? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFatCoward Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Derfel Cadarn said: Fuck! Does this mean we can’t laugh at the Americans anymore, now that we’ve got our own dishonest, philandering shitbag with shit hair? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mosi Mynn Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 We're so fucked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rorshach Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 My condolences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse Named Stranger Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 This had been coming for over three years now. Part of me wants to re-enact a scene from Trainspotting with our chaircat (or any other Tory boarder for that matter) here. Aren't you proud to be a Tory? But I don't think this would go down particularly well right now, so I will refrain from pulling the proverbial tiger by whiskers. But really now, Boris Alexandre de Pfeffel Johnson? If that won't restore confidence in British politics around the globe, then I don't know what will. A crazy PM for crazy times. But really spare a thought now for Larry the cat. From a strong and stable, ok, reliable tin opener, to Boris effing Johnson? I guess we are about to find out, whether a cat can become an alcoholic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ants Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 I still can’t quite believe it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mosi Mynn Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 As much as I wouldn't want to work for the Thatched Fool either, and I admire them for resigning for their principles, doesn't the mass exodus of "decent" (advisory scare quotes) Tories means that we'll be left with a Cabinet of the Damned and Delusional? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varysblackfyre321 Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 3 hours ago, Derfel Cadarn said: Fuck! Does this mean we can’t laugh at the Americans anymore, now that we’ve got our own dishonest, philandering shitbag? Oh come on this racist idiot will make Britain great again. 1 hour ago, ants said: I still can’t quite believe it. I’ve come to expect any sort of lunacy from the UK they decided to launch itself in financial turmoil with the justification of “preserving our culture” from being destroyed those icky immigrants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse Named Stranger Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 @Mosi Mynn Does it matter? I know I have been beating that drum for the entirety of the Tory Clown Car Driver Contest. Nothing has really changed. To put it another way, just because Aston Villa change their manager and coaching staff, won't mean they will win the EPL. It doesn't really affect the other players (clubs) involved in the league. In the same sense, there's still no majority for no-deal in parliament. The EU won't re-open the WA package. So on that end, it will still be no-deal, the deal on offer (aka May's deal), or no-Brexit. Brexit will be the overarching theme for the Premiership of Feivel, eh, de Pfeffel Johnson. The economy (thus tax income) and value of the pound will be tied to Brexit. Bigger political projects won't get thru any time soon, because Brexit is also eating up the resources of the civil service. The list goes on and on. As long as Brexit remains unresolved, the goverment will remain hamstrung - same would apply to a Labour goverment btw. You can obviously campaign against reality, but you really cannot govern against it. And the British PM has less power than the POTUS in the American political system. Yes, they can do real harm, but at the same time, Brexit is still there to eat them alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mosi Mynn Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 7 minutes ago, A Horse Named Stranger said: Yes, they can do real harm, but at the same time, Brexit is still there to eat them alive. Here's hoping then. Who's going to be Chancellor??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 Predictions for a no deal Brexit just went up by a noticeable margin. It seems the U.K. and the U.S. are engaged in a race to the bottom… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Which Tyler Posted July 23, 2019 Author Share Posted July 23, 2019 6 minutes ago, Mosi Mynn said: Here's hoping then. Who's going to be Chancellor??? JRM Francois to Foreign Secretary Priti Patel Home Secretary Grayling Deputy Leader Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mosi Mynn Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 7 minutes ago, Which Tyler said: JRM Francois to Foreign Secretary Priti Patel Home Secretary Grayling Deputy Leader What - no space for Farage? Oh wait - Ambassador to the US, obviously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Which Tyler Posted July 23, 2019 Author Share Posted July 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, Mosi Mynn said: What - no space for Farage? Oh wait - Ambassador to the US, obviously Obviously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derfel Cadarn Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 27 minutes ago, Which Tyler said: JRM Francois to Foreign Secretary Priti Patel Home Secretary Grayling Deputy Leader Except on weekends, when Francois is also Defence Secretary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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