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Tad Williams - The Witchwood Crown / Empire of Grass spoiler thread

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Tad actually has a fairly respectable section at my local B&N.  I'd guess about a shelf and a half, by official measurements.  I know when I bought the last copy of The Dragonbone Chair last year, it was restocked when I went back in the next week.

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I’m poking around in B&N right now and it’s interesting how everything here seems to be the exact inverse of what Pat described. Not that I’m accusing him of lying, just that region differences are...very different.

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I guess that's to be expected. For example, I figure that stores here carry way more Guy Gavriel Kay than you would find in any American bookstore. 

Out of curiosity, in which area are you? I know that in NYC, some stores I've visited in the past offered the very best SFF selection I've seen this side of London, England.

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Finished TWC. Fucking loved it. You people are all insane. :P

On 6/27/2019 at 9:49 AM, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

 

Anyone else think the mention of “great years” as reflecting a year in “The Garden” is a clear indication that “the Garden” is another planet, not another destroyed continent?

Ah yes, I was trying to remember the board member who was so gung ho about that theory. I'm still not sure if I would say other planet but they sure as hell ain't from this one. Could be some inter dimension stuff.

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41 minutes ago, Darth Richard II said:

Finished TWC. Fucking loved it. You people are all insane. :P

Ah yes, I was trying to remember the board member who was so gung ho about that theory. I'm still not sure if I would say other planet but they sure as hell ain't from this one. Could be some inter dimension stuff.

That is possible.  However, I believe the mention of “great ships” and “Navigation” suggests space travel.

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3 hours ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

That is possible.  However, I believe the mention of “great ships” and “Navigation” suggests space travel.

That's my impression

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On 7/18/2019 at 3:42 AM, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

That is possible.  However, I believe the mention of “great ships” and “Navigation” suggests space travel.

Although still possible, I felt that Witchwood Crown poured some water on that theory with several references to them crossing an actual physical ocean (not the "ocean of stars" mentioned in MS&T) and landing on the eastern coast of Osten Ard. There's also the issue that if it was a spaceship, then where is it? Inside Stormspike, raided for parts millennia ago?

At least Bakker (whom I occasionally muse is Williams' extremely grimdark reflection) was upfront about the spaceship and space alien stuff.

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1 hour ago, Werthead said:

Although still possible, I felt that Witchwood Crown poured some water on that theory with several references to them crossing an actual physical ocean (not the "ocean of stars" mentioned in MS&T) and landing on the eastern coast of Osten Ard. There's also the issue that if it was a spaceship, then where is it? Inside Stormspike, raided for parts millennia ago?

At least Bakker (whom I occasionally muse is Williams' extremely grimdark reflection) was upfront about the spaceship and space alien stuff.

I rather like the vagueness.  Were there humans, or other sentient beings, in Osten Ard to witness the arrival of the Ked’ya from, elsewhere, as in Bakker’s series?  Is there a frame of reference to perceive “space” or travel from another planet?

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1 hour ago, Werthead said:

At least Bakker (whom I occasionally muse is Williams' extremely grimdark reflection) was upfront about the spaceship and space alien stuff.

I'm reading The Dragonbone Chair and thought the same thing during the part where Simon was escaping the Hayholt.  It was trippy and reminded me a lot of the journey underneath Ishterebenth or whatever it's called.

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The ship may just have crashed into the ocean and they had to cross it to reach land. Which would also explain why they have lost so much from the Garden.

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35 minutes ago, Lord Patrek said:

The ship may just have crashed into the ocean and they had to cross it to reach land. Which would also explain why they have lost so much from the Garden.

I like that hypothesis.

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