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9 hours ago, The Anti-Targ said:

The US is becoming less white with time, so the middle aged white demographic will be shrinking. It's still going to be a substantial voting bloc for a long time though, and stitching up support from a range of other voter demographics will take more work. And also getting a higher voter turn out from a lot of those demographics will take a lot of work, not only at getting people to vote, but also in making sure they are fully enfranchised. Such as right to vote after being released from prison.

I think your analysis is correct.  The Democrats won't beat Trump by running a candidate to the left of Biden.  There's no point running up huge majorities in big cities and university towns, while losing everywhere else.

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10 hours ago, Varysblackfyre321 said:

Why are you acting like Christians are some monolithic group? The majority of Democrats are still Christians. The majority of people of color in the US too, and there are plenty members of the LGBTQ community which are Christians as well and there are plenty of Christians who do recognize Climate change to be a threat.

We should ignore these people on important matters because of them being Christian? Absurd.

You seem to think they all could be lumped together with the stringent evangelical conservative Christians who enjoys breitbart. 

That’s wrong. 

Maybe it's a case of "not all Christians."

My in-laws are pretty devout Christians. But they are also liberal Democrats who don't think their beliefs should dictate other people's lives. They're not the sort of Christians to try and petition a media company to pull content that they disagree with. I don't think my father in law would want to watch Good Omens. So he won't. But he won't try to interfere with other people's access to it. Which is good, because his grandson is definitely going to be exposed to Good Omens some time in the next few years. He finds abortion a horrific idea, but doesn't vote to take the option away from others. He'll say grace at the table when we're at a restaurant together but doesn't think Ten Commandments sculptures belong in government buildings.

The Christians that Zorral complained about are the other sort of Christians, the fear and ignorance kind, who think no one should have access to material they find objectionable. Whose faith is so weak they don't think it can compete with other ideas on a level playing field. Christians who want to use government to impose their morality on others, who want to use the machinery of the state to force others to bow to them, have more in common with Iranian theocrats than they do with my father in law. They are Christianists. I call them McJesusites to distinguish from Christians like my in laws.

This isn't that hard a distinction.

 

 

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11 hours ago, Triskele said:

Wait, wait, wait, what in the fucking fuck.  Biden says that Booker should apologize?  

I've been waiting for a major political figure on the left to do something like this. It's been obvious for a while that apologizing to the "social justice" crowd is counterproductive -- they'll keep hammering just the same except that now they have what amounts to an admission that you did something wrong. One possible solution is to say "This is what I believe in (in Biden's case, civil discourse). Accordingly, I'm right and you're wrong so you apologize." The "social justice" people will be outraged, but this doesn't matter because they'd be outraged regardless. On the other hand, there may be some fraction of the rest of the population which appreciates a leader who appears to have values that he's not going to jettison the moment a mob of bullies starts shouting at him. We'll see.

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1 hour ago, Tywin et al. said:

So no comments about how we almost bombed Iran last night.

Merica I guess…

Not much to say.

We almost bombed Iran. But then we didn't.

Maybe we'll bomb them later.

Though from the article I read, it was a close thing.

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2 hours ago, DanteGabriel said:

Maybe it's a case of "not all Christians."

My in-laws are pretty devout Christians. But they are also liberal Democrats who don't think their beliefs should dictate other people's lives. They're not the sort of Christians to try and petition a media company to pull content that they disagree with. I don't think my father in law would want to watch Good Omens. So he won't. But he won't try to interfere with other people's access to it. Which is good, because his grandson is definitely going to be exposed to Good Omens some time in the next few years. He finds abortion a horrific idea, but doesn't vote to take the option away from others. He'll say grace at the table when we're at a restaurant together but doesn't think Ten Commandments sculptures belong in government buildings.

The Christians that Zorral complained about are the other sort of Christians, the fear and ignorance kind, who think no one should have access to material they find objectionable. Whose faith is so weak they don't think it can compete with other ideas on a level playing field. Christians who want to use government to impose their morality on others, who want to use the machinery of the state to force others to bow to them, have more in common with Iranian theocrats than they do with my father in law. They are Christianists. I call them McJesusites to distinguish from Christians like my in laws.

This isn't that hard a distinction.

 

 

Not to mention they can't even be bothered to get right the basic fact which streaming service serves up what they are insisting the world find as objectionable as they do -- which also means they haven't seen what they are condemning.  It's like my relatives railing about poor people asking for help to find a job while having a cell phone, by which they can be contacted by somebody who might hire them.  These people are both too cruel and too stupid to receive any consideration of their widdle feels of righteousness -- particularly when they then demand I send them money to help out their kids to go on a trip to disneyworld.  They are SO Christian.

As far as bomb bomb bomb Iran --

I read the stuff this morning about canceling the air strike on Iran 'because 150 people would be killed," and even said out loud, "This makes no sense on any level."  Then other news stories made it clear that Putin told him to stop.  Maybe that's also the real reason he's lost interest in Venezuela and regime change: Putin told him to.  But still he tweeted about how much he lurved having that power to say bomb and then say don't bomb.  Made him feel so good.

Nor will the Dems win anything if they don't run someone left of Biden.  Biden is a multiple loser just for starters, over and over, and now he's really out of touch with the world most of us -- but not him! -- are inhabiting. Watch him next week, make an arrogant fool of himself many times over on the national stage in that so-called debate.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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51 minutes ago, Morpheus said:

The administration has had a hard on for a war with Iran for a long time, they are going to make it happen eventually. 

Well, they already escalated things. Let us say Trump does not want war. It may happen anyway since there are 2 parties. And what if a third gets involved? We had a low percentage chance of war and now it is something higher.

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2 hours ago, Tywin et al. said:

So no comments about how we almost bombed Iran last night.

Merica I guess…

Its almost too much to bear. Even Kennedy's brinkmanship during the missile crisis had some logic to it, I imagine. This is just random pushing of buttons because (according to some reports) Hannity made some comments, and then subsequently I don't even know the reason the strikes were called off.

We've been incredibly lucky these past 2 years the world hasn't blown up.

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On 6/19/2019 at 11:38 PM, Tywin et al. said:

Trump's team calls them summer camps. My summer camps taught me how to ride horses and shoot, wrapping a nice little bow on the previous thread.

So you trained all your life to be cast as the Lone Ranger, only to be dismissed in favour of Arnie Hammer? Don't worry, a.) the movie flopped and b.)  it's just Batman on a horse.

Ok, the more I think about point b.) the more awesome it actually sounds. :(

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2 hours ago, DanteGabriel said:

 

The Christians that Zorral complained about are the other sort of Christians, the fear and ignorance kind, who think no one should have access to material they find objectionable. Whose faith is so weak they don't think it can compete with other ideas on a level playing field. Christians who want to use government to impose their morality on others, who want to use the machinery of the state to force others to bow to them, have more in common with Iranian theocrats than they do with my father in law. They are Christianists. I call them McJesusites to distinguish from Christians like my in laws.

This isn't that hard a distinction.

 

 

Funnily enough, these types of Christians manage to make their god seem as small as possible.

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https://thehill.com/policy/international/449546-putin-warns-war-between-us-and-iran-would-be-catastrophe

How much would you all bet against Putin having made a night call to the idiot in chief who LURVES saying bombombomb Iran and then says no bomb, an idiot who we all know -- even those of us who do not play vid and poot games -- that he's never make it to level of two candycrush (or whatever reward / award the game provides -- I wouldn't know).

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51 minutes ago, IheartIheartTesla said:

Its almost too much to bear. Even Kennedy's brinkmanship during the missile crisis had some logic to it, I imagine. This is just random pushing of buttons because (according to some reports) Hannity made some comments, and then subsequently I don't even know the reason the strikes were called off.

We've been incredibly lucky these past 2 years the world hasn't blown up.

My best guess is because Trump is an indecisive coward who believes the last thing someone says to him is the correct action to take.

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41 minutes ago, A Horse Named Stranger said:

So you trained all your life to be cast as the Lone Ranger, only to be dismissed in favour of Arnie Hammer? Don't worry, a.) the movie flopped and b.)  it's just Batman on a horse.

Ok, the more I think about point b.) the more awesome it actually sounds. :(

How can you expect me to compete with a porn star name like that? I’d have to change my name to Willie Hung Johnson to have any chance.

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54 minutes ago, IheartIheartTesla said:

Its almost too much to bear. Even Kennedy's brinkmanship during the missile crisis had some logic to it, I imagine. This is just random pushing of buttons because (according to some reports) Hannity made some comments, and then subsequently I don't even know the reason the strikes were called off.

We've been incredibly lucky these past 2 years the world hasn't blown up.

It's quite something to realize that our country's likelihood of starting another land war in Asia hinges on whether the President listens more to Hannity or Tucker Carlson.

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Well well well. You know the Navy Seal on trial for murdering a suspected ISIS supporter? The medic on duty just announced on the witness stand that he killed the guy, not his buddy, as a mercy killing. He confessed because he didn’t want his bud to go to jail for something he didn’t do, cuz the guy has a wife and children.

Sounds like the Navy really fucked up when they accepted these dickheads.

Sounds more like a conspiracy.

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