US Politics: RIP EHK FYVM GOP

[all swedes are racist]

7 minutes ago, DMC said:

I explained why I think people like their private insurance.  Thought it was a pretty clear explanation.  If you want me to explain, like, conceptually, why people would rather have private rather than public insurance?  No, I can't answer that question.  No one should be expected to.  Go to grad school, talk about it a bunch in some seminars, and get back to me.  Because you'll still be wondering the same exact thing.

no you said people like there insurance (which was already a given, in that they prefer it to having no insurance, duh) and you intimated that due to the fact most insurance is private, ipso facto, people must like private insurance, all without evidence declaring the very assumption i was challenging. 

and i ask because a fair number of posters here are operating under the assumption that there needs to be some kid of grace period or the like in switching over to a universal medicare for all type health care system, which i strongly reject and think requires further examination of it is to be taken for granted in these threads (and your quoted posts seems to back that)

[DMC]

1 minute ago, a good and nice guy said:

no you said people like there insurance (which was already a given, in that they prefer it to having no insurance, duh) and you intimated that due to the fact most insurance is private, ipso facto, people must like private insurance, all without evidence declaring the very assumption i was challenging.

OMG you're like the lamest officious prick ever.  Like the opening chapter of The Shining when he meets the boss.  But worse.  Of course I mean people that liked their private insurance..liked the fact they had insurance.  And accordingly, if they think it's gonna be taken away, that needs to be an electoral consideration.  Seriously dude, what are you arguing here?  We should tell them no, fuck you and go away?

6 minutes ago, a good and nice guy said:

and i ask because a fair number of posters here are operating under the assumption that there needs to be some kid of grace period or the like in switching over to a universal medicare for all type health care system, which i strongly reject and think requires further examination of it is to be taken for granted in these threads (and your quoted posts seems to back that)

Well, then see above.  Yeah, there does need to be a grace period.  Look how the ACA was rolled it.  It's incompetency almost killed the whole damn thing.  And that was a very VERY small fraction of what would happen if everybody went on public insurance.  So maybe you should grow the fuck up and realize what you're talking about.

[all swedes are racist]

it would t be taken away though, it would be replaced, by a far superior and streamlined option, unlike the aca 

[DMC]

2 minutes ago, a good and nice guy said:

it would t be taken away though, it would be replaced, by a far superior and streamlined option, unlike the aca 

Right.  In the fairy world, with candy drops and spinning dresses.

[all swedes are racist]

ah, very informative, thank you 

[Kalbear]

My private insurance is pretty amazing. I've had others and they sucked compared. My wife used to be on Medicare and it also sucked compared to what I have now. I know that it would be very difficult to envision everyone having the same kind of insurance that I do without everything going bankrupt. 

I'm good with that changing, mind you, but I know many others who aren't. 

[all swedes are racist]

Just now, Kalbear said:

My private insurance is pretty amazing. I've had others and they sucked compared. My wife used to be on Medicare and it also sucked compared to what I have now. I know that it would be very difficult to envision everyone having the same kind of insurance that I do without everything going bankrupt. 

I'm good with that changing, mind you, but I know many others who aren't. 

mind if i ask what you like about your current insurance and what you disliked about medicare? obviously this is all anecdotal but you are the first person i’ve ever heard this from

[DMC]

22 minutes ago, a good and nice guy said:

ah, very informative, thank you 

You're welcome.

[Centrist Simon Steele]

1 hour ago, a good and nice guy said:

mind if i ask what you like about your current insurance and what you disliked about medicare? obviously this is all anecdotal but you are the first person i’ve ever heard this from

I actually love my private insurance. I pay about 700 bucks a month, and any time I visit the doctor or get a prescription they don't like, I have huge co-pays. I have psoriatic arthritis so I see a specialist 2 times a month as we get it under control. 40 bucks a pop for each specialist visit, plus the 80 dollar co-pay for the meds, plus the other meds I take for plenty of valid reasons. Despite my 700 bucks a month, I'm still paying over 200 a month in copays! I mean...what's not to love? When I was on Medicaid previously, it fucking sucked. I never paid for anything. When I started seeing a new specialist, sometimes I did have to wait a couple of months, but then again, as Medicaid expanded rapidly in our state, I noticed the number of specialists accepting Medicaid not only sky rocketed, but wait times plummeted. What was I saying again? Oh yeah, private insurance. At least I don't have to say "medicaid" out loud when the receptionist asks me what insurance I'm on.

[Jace, Extat]

9 hours ago, Zorral said:

That's what I said.  But since the TVillain & Criminal, Sadistic, Depraved rethugs lie every time they open their mouths or put their fingers on a keyboard, it seems that there are people, even on this forum, who thinks we should too.

Anyway, the virtues are worthwhile and worthy traits to attempt living up to.  The thing is, whereas many of us know this, and will try, while knowing we are certainly failing or going to fail, at least half the time -- those others openly sneer at the very idea of virtue -- though, of course, like the Brit ruling classes, they still heartily are convinced that the have-nots are to be virtuous, and be so all time. Virtue for the poor, murder and pillage with impunity as the privilege and right of the rich.

??? Umm... everyone already worked out a lot of the angst during my Axis and Allies campaign, but I had your quote queued up so I'll go ahead and respond anyway.

I for one absolutely believe Democrats should lie constantly and loudly. Kamala Harris should personally guarantee a return of every single job lost to outsourcing and on the same day she's sworn in introduce a bill written on the back of a takeout menu to "bring the jobs back". And when it doesn't pass she should say whatever the fuck pops into her mind about why Mitch wouldn't do it. I wanna win. Dignity is for losers, because winners don't give a good goddamn what the people they've stomped on think.

As for the latter half of the second paragraph, I can't speak for Trisk but I know I've never once in my life expected people in destitute situations to act with virtue. Life is brutal and unfair. I say more power to the unclean masses if/when they're ready to start burning shit. Fuck, I'm ready to roll out the guillotines as soon as the mob finally breaks. 

It won't though. Because people like you are too concerned with feeling morally superior to get your hands dirty. I don't have an issue with this laudable mindset, either. Until it becomes an impediment to achieving our shared aims.

[A Horse Named Stranger]

So you are applying for a seat on the SCOTUS? Best sales pitch ever.

[Ormond]

7 hours ago, Kalbear said:

My private insurance is pretty amazing. I've had others and they sucked compared. My wife used to be on Medicare and it also sucked compared to what I have now. I know that it would be very difficult to envision everyone having the same kind of insurance that I do without everything going bankrupt. 

I'm good with that changing, mind you, but I know many others who aren't. 

Are you sure you don't mean your wife was on Medicaid? Or was she considered disabled and then somehow recovered? As far as I know being medically disabled is the only way one can be on Medicare and be under 65.

[Martell Spy]

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An artist blasted by the Anti-Defamation League for creating a “blatantly anti-Semitic cartoon” has been invited to the White House by President Donald Trump.

Cartoonist Ben Garrison proudly tweeted his invitation to join a “Social Media Summit” this coming Thursday at the White House. The invitation was called out on Saturday by CNN’s Jake Tapper.

 

Artist Who Created ‘Blatantly Anti-Semitic Cartoon’ Invited By Trump To White House
The Anti-Defamation League slammed Ben Garrison’s “Jewish conspiracy” cartoon, which was created for Pizzagate promoter Mike Cernovich.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/anti-semitism-cartoonist-white-house-trump-adl_n_5d21219ae4b0f3125685269d

[OldGimletEye]

31 minutes ago, Triskele said:

"loss aversion"

Yeah, I think you get today's gold star.

I loathe employer sponsored insurance and would like to get rid of it. That said, I don't think it would be politically wise to get rid of it all at once. You're right that most people are pretty risk adverse. They may know the current system sucks, but fear they may end up with something worse.

[maarsen]

9 hours ago, a good and nice guy said:

no you said people like there insurance (which was already a given, in that they prefer it to having no insurance, duh) and you intimated that due to the fact most insurance is private, ipso facto, people must like private insurance, all without evidence declaring the very assumption i was challenging. 

and i ask because a fair number of posters here are operating under the assumption that there needs to be some kid of grace period or the like in switching over to a universal medicare for all type health care system, which i strongly reject and think requires further examination of it is to be taken for granted in these threads (and your quoted posts seems to back that)

I can still remember growing up here in Ontario and there was no public healthcare. My father had medical insurance through his benefits from his job. Then a  public medical plan was introduced and everybody had to pay a set amount each month. Once you were over the age of 21, you had to pay for yourself and I along with lots of others my age did not pay and had no coverage if we got sick or hurt. If I had a minimum wage job I had a choice between food or insurance.  I think I was in my 30's with kids when I no longer had to pay premiums for public health insurance. 

We had lots of people saying then that if there are no premiums, people will abuse the system and clog up the emergency rooms. If Ontario can do a rollout of public healthcare with little or no fuss, any other jurisdiction should be able to do the same.

[Martell Spy]

1 hour ago, Triskele said:

On the immigration and a potential fight on the left:

 

 

 

Funnily enough, open borders just got brought up in my Workable Socialism thread. 

 

Ex-Ethics Chief Spells Out What Donald Trump’s July 4 Bash Was Really All About
Walter Shaub complained that taxpayer dollars had been co-opted “for the benefit of a man whose idea of public service is the public serving him.”

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/ex-ethics-chief-donald-trump-july-4-party_n_5d2097a4e4b01b834737691f

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Walter Shaub, the former head of the U.S. Office of Government Ethics, on Friday critically described President Donald Trump’s takeover of the Fourth of July celebrations in Washington as “a taxpayer-funded campaign ad.”

“Your tax dollars coopted for the benefit of a man whose idea of public service is the public serving him,” tweeted Shaub, in response to Trump posting a video summary of the event that cast the president in a glowing light.

 

 

[Zorral]

People in the Pacific NW and CA really like their Kaiser medical care system, which is semi private and semi (state) public.  Alas this side of country -- private medical insurance is a nightmare, particularly in NYC, and evidently NY state generally.  Just to find a physician or 'health care' group that takes your insurance is a big, initial obstacle.  

8 hours ago, Jace, Basilissa said:

As for the latter half of the second paragraph, I can't speak for Trisk but I know I've never once in my life expected people in destitute situations to act with virtue. Life is brutal and unfair. I say more power to the unclean masses if/when they're ready to start burning shit. Fuck, I'm ready to roll out the guillotines as soon as the mob finally breaks. 

It won't though. Because people like you are too concerned with feeling morally superior to get your hands dirty. I don't have an issue with this laudable mindset, either. Until it becomes an impediment to achieving our shared aims.

Honey -- I'm the one Kal, Trisk etc. frequently clutch pearls over for expecting shooting civil war, rebellion (if TVhole loses in 2020 and just for funsies), unstoppable migrations due to climate change, and believing the entire nation and all its corps, institutions and systems are so dysfunctionally corrupt there is no road to 'reform'.  See: Nancy Pelosi just out-and-out telling the younger legislators elected by young voters that no votes at all matter except those she say count, in the Senate.  She did, just out and out tell us we the voters don't matter.

1 hour ago, Martell Spy said:

Ex-Ethics Chief Spells Out What Donald Trump’s July 4 Bash Was Really All About
Walter Shaub complained that taxpayer dollars had been co-opted “for the benefit of a man whose idea of public service is the public serving him

Yes. What the purpose of all this was, was to make the most expensive campaign video-film ever, paid for by the tax-payers.  

[Jace, Extat]

3 minutes ago, Zorral said:

People in the Pacific NW and CA really like their Kaiser medical care system, which is semi private and semi (state) public.  Alas this side of country -- private medical insurance is a nightmare, particularly in NYC, and evidently NY state generally.  Just to find a physician or 'health care' group that takes your insurance is a big, initial obstacle.  

Honey -- I'm the one Kal, Trisk etc. frequently clutch pearls over for expecting shooting civil war, rebellion (if TVhole loses in 2020 and just for funsies), unstoppable migrations due to climate change, and believing the entire nation and all its corps, institutions and systems are so dysfunctionally corrupt there is no road to 'reform'.  See: Nancy Pelosi just out-and-out telling the younger legislators elected by young voters that no votes at all matter except those she say count, in the Senate.  She did, just out and out tell us we the voters don't matter.

 

Yeah I know, that's why I was confused... i thought we was gonna be comrades. Lopping off heads and inventing murder sleds was my dream.

[Martell Spy]

10 minutes ago, Zorral said:

People in the Pacific NW and CA really like their Kaiser medical care system, which is semi private and semi (state) public.  Alas this side of country -- private medical insurance is a nightmare, particularly in NYC, and evidently NY state generally.  Just to find a physician or 'health care' group that takes your insurance is a big, initial obstacle.  

Honey -- I'm the one Kal, Trisk etc. frequently clutch pearls over for expecting shooting civil war, rebellion (if TVhole loses in 2020 and just for funsies), unstoppable migrations due to climate change, and believing the entire nation and all its corps, institutions and systems are so dysfunctionally corrupt there is no road to 'reform'.  See: Nancy Pelosi just out-and-out telling the younger legislators elected by young voters that no votes at all matter except those she say count, in the Senate.  She did, just out and out tell us we the voters don't matter.

Yes. What the purpose of all this was, was to make the most expensive campaign video-film ever, paid for by the tax-payers.  

I have KP, it's fantastic. The best part though is the cost for my infusions is incredibly low out-of-pocket, just 15$. And it was something fairly similar when I got a colonoscopy as well. The costs were often pretty horrible in past health systems I've been in.

[Zorral]

17 minutes ago, Jace, Basilissa said:

Yeah I know, that's why I was confused... i thought we was gonna be comrades. Lopping off heads and inventing murder sleds was my dream.

Jace -- you can trust me in these matters.  Like a politician I never ever lie and my fingers (and toes and tongue)  are bathed in virtue frequently throughout the day (and night).