Martell Spy Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 7 minutes ago, Varysblackfyre321 said: Hey, you’re the one who took issue with me saying candidates shouldn’t try to out progressive each other in all areas even if that means adopting really unpopular positions. OK, you still refuse to state a candidate preference. I guess I will assume you to be a Biden supporter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martell Spy Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 18 minutes ago, Triskele said: So "send her back!" is the new "lock her up!" it appears. What a nightmare. Since most of us are immigrants, he will have to qualify that. Otherwise, what is to say we can't send him back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jace, Extat Posted July 18, 2019 Author Share Posted July 18, 2019 22 minutes ago, Triskele said: So "send her back!" is the new "lock her up!" it appears. What a nightmare. What, did you think that it couldn't get worse? We're not even into his campaign proper yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 9 minutes ago, Varysblackfyre321 said: You just think orange man racist no matter what. I'm not sure what you're saying here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Anti-Targ Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/114333713/christchurch-terror-attack-survivor-thanks-donald-trump-at-white-house Quote Christchurch terror attack survivor thanks Donald Trump at White House Politically naive is the only thing I can think of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 1 minute ago, Triskele said: That would be starkly in contrast to Trump but wouldn't be going so far that first debate. Yeah I agree that is the best and certainly most cautious approach to immigration - kind of exactly what I was trying to lay out in the post you quoted. 3 minutes ago, Triskele said: Very curious to see polling continue to develop on all of this and to see where the candidates come out in the next round of debates. Right. This will evolve as we continue to get better information on voters' attitudes on candidates, and particularly when there's only one nominee that hopefully hasn't tacked too far left on the issue to come back from it. Only one in the top tier I think is in danger of that happening is, again, Warren. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 1 hour ago, The Anti-Targ said: I think there might be a correlation between this and how much material has been published in the last 10 years. What's to talk about other than endlessly arguing about politics and no one changing their mind about anything? That sort of discourse really only appeals to people with a masochistic streak in them. Eh. We didnt talk a lot about the books for a while there either. Most of them post on facebook nowadays, and before that it was livejournal. The boards just became too impersonal after a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonnot OG Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 ICE is gonna go after Ilhan Omar, watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
all swedes are racist Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 15 minutes ago, Bonnot OG said: ICE is gonna go after Ilhan Omar, watch. no, but a bunch of trumpenized anti social nihilist freaks will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varysblackfyre321 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 4 hours ago, mcbigski said: But yes, if you and/or your family choose to live someplace, at the very least it's rude to bad mouth it. Who cares about rudeness lol? The only thing that really matters is their arguments. If their actual points of contention are bad it doesn’t matter where they’re from. Their place of birth doesn’t make what they say better or worse. It’s an ad-hominem attack. Its finding a reason to run away from having to even have a discussion with someone. And please wanting to improve your home, whether newly arrived or born to is not by itself rude. It’s the best thing you could do. You’re not being ungrateful if complain about there being rats and roaches in a Apartment complex you stay at to your landlord. If you move to a new neighborhood you would not be ungrateful if you start a neighborhood watch to address a string of robberies that keep happening in the neighborhood or campaign to have speed bumps places in the neighborhood because kids getting ran over. You do not do your country a service by saying it’s perfect or just cheering it’s praise You do it a service by finding problems in it and trying to fix said problems. And again most of these women aren’t immigrants. They were born and raised here. AOC’s parents are US citizens. Please, explain why Trump, would assume, they weren’t. Please, give us a non-racial answers for why he arrived at such an idea. 4 hours ago, mcbigski said: And the cleaver puts them on the side of make America less, if they want to win the woke Olympics. The echo chamber is why you (or perhaps not you specifically, but the left in general) think that's somehow a winning move electorally, even though it's decidedly not a majority position. Another weird tangent not really addressing the arguments. You deride eco-chambers. Then declare you won’t hear out immigrants criticisms they have of how America operates. You electing not to engage with someone because of something immaterial to their actual arguments is hypocritical. 4 hours ago, mcbigski said: The echo chamber was meant mostly about the MSNBC fans who figured Trump's son was going to get hung for treason by now, Avenatti was credible, and that Putin preferred Trump to the candidate he's already bought and paid for. Gullible fools and useful idiots to go along with all that. Happy to hear valid criticism. Won't accept that socialism is a great idea based on skin tone of the suggester. Also don't much like Bernie's policies FWIW Except when it comes from an immigrant apparently. If you were consistent(and didn’t merely get irked when the criticism isn’t something you agree with) any criticisms from them, will just be ignored. You’ve decided to not engage with people who fail to meet this arbitrary criteria on a particular topic rather than just engaging them on their arguments alone. You’re derision of eco-chamber is hypocritical. 4 hours ago, mcbigski said: Trump's biggest strength in business was his marketing genius IMO. MAGA isn't just something that Nigerians get paid to yell at Jusse Smollett. It's a deviously crafted cleaver. Ohhh you brought up Smollet. Guys this son of of a gun is Edgy. I kinda have to point out “Make a America Great Again” was a slogan made up by Regan’s campaign, and used by others before Trump got his hands on it. Hell even Bill Clinton got in on the action. Though, the message of it has probably always so long as politics has been around in some form. Saying x place is bad now, and declare only you getting a position of power would make it good or “great” again is not particularly new or complex. But it kinda makes your entire spill of “don’t bad mouth where you choose to live” utterly absurd. Trump’s entire campaign was that America was bad, and he’s the only one who fix it and make it “great again”. He’s rich. He could have literally moved anywhere else during Obama’s Presidency to which he was really dissatisfied with. He didn’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Anti-Targ Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 New depths in public racism are being plumbed. Edit: Correction. It's not new depths, it's old depths that were not truly blocked off being re-plumbed so that they may flow more freely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varysblackfyre321 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 11 minutes ago, Bonnot OG said: I’m sure there are many Free-speech warriors who will come out and condemn this blatant advocation for a government official to punish someone for expressing certain view points even if they don’t agree with many or even any said view points from that person. I could not keep a straight face when I wrote this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonnot OG Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 7 minutes ago, Varysblackfyre321 said: I’m sure there are many Free-speech warriors who will come out and condemn this blatant advocation for a government official to punish someone for expressing certain view points even if they don’t agree with many or even any said view points from that person. I could not keep a straight face when I wrote this. Lol yea. We all know that extends to the bigotry they want to spew without getting held accountable by it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varysblackfyre321 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 4 hours ago, DMC said: This is, like, the lamest bullshit smear ever. Yes. It must be noted, that @mcbigski hasn’t actually tried to address the fact with the exception of Omar, none of these women are immigrants). Instead he’s pussyfooting around that and going straight into a tirade why he thinks these women are awful. Because that’s easier than explaining why assuming 3 women of color weren’t born in America, has nothing to do with their race. When you can’t defend Trump’s racism, just attack the target of his racism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonnot OG Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 14 minutes ago, Varysblackfyre321 said: Yes. It must be noted, that @mcbigski hasn’t actually tried to address the fact with the exception of Omar, none of these women are immigrants). Instead he’s pussyfooting around that and going straight into a tirade why he thinks these women are awful. Because that’s easier than explaining why assuming 3 women of color weren’t born in America, has nothing to do with their race. When you can’t defend Trump’s racism, just attack the target of his racism. That xenophobia apologism eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Queen Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 9 hours ago, Bonnot OG said: ICE is gonna go after Ilhan Omar, watch. She is Minnesota's duly elected representative and I doubt they would stand idly by and allow that. Would the state governor have any recourse in the matter and can they assign her a security detail if Congress won't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jace, Extat Posted July 18, 2019 Author Share Posted July 18, 2019 5 minutes ago, Ice Queen said: She is Minnesota's duly elected representative and I doubt they would stand idly by and allow that. Would the state governor have any recourse in the matter and can they assign her a security detail if Congress won't? Our friend is being wildly reactionary. (radical-ary?) Anyway, ICE isn't gonna go after her. I mean not on duty or anything. I have become increasingly... curious isn't the right word, but almost preemptively horrified to see if an attempt is made on one or all of their lives. And then to see if he pardons the shooter. Especially if he loses (don't think he will). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Queen Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 28 minutes ago, Jace, Basilissa said: Our friend is being wildly reactionary. (radical-ary?) Anyway, ICE isn't gonna go after her. I mean not on duty or anything. I have become increasingly... curious isn't the right word, but almost preemptively horrified to see if an attempt is made on one or all of their lives. And then to see if he pardons the shooter. Especially if he loses (don't think he will). I like to think ahead and be prepared for all eventualities, no matter how improbable. With the way this is going, I wouldn't put it past him to sic ICE on her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jace, Extat Posted July 18, 2019 Author Share Posted July 18, 2019 34 minutes ago, Ice Queen said: I like to think ahead and be prepared for all eventualities, no matter how improbable. With the way this is going, I wouldn't put it past him to sic ICE on her. I mean, realistically though, that doesn't happen until he is granted reelection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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