U.S. Politics: Pedophilia is Just Acosta Doin' Business

[Jace, Extat]

Oh boy oh boy oh boy. 

I hope you weren't hoping Donald doesn't like the coverage of Send Her Back, 'cause it's getting spicy in the gulfs again. U.S. claims to have downed an Iranian drone and they say they've impounded an oil tanker of unclear foreign origin for "smuggling".

We're gonna bomb, bomb, bomb, Iran.

[Bonnot OG]

 

 

this is a joke. That’s not even enough of a living wage now let alone in 6 years.

[Larry of the Lawn]

4 hours ago, a good and nice guy said:

it’s the basis for sanders m4a campaign, so everyone can -for free at the point of service! - get the rib removal surgery to, y’know 

*slow clap* Brings me back to middle school and the urban legend of Marilyn Manson.  Who would probabaly be a great presidential candidate

[Jace, Extat]

NOTH-ING'S GOOD ENOUGH

NOTH-ING'S GOOD ENOUGH

NOTH-ING'S GOOD ENOUGH

GIVE ME EVERYTHING OR GIVE ME NOTHING WITH EXTRA NOTHING, PLEASE!!!

Bro, I've been tryin' to take it easy on ya. But goddamn you make me wanna smack liberals as a collective in the fucking mouth. You're not even liberal, I bet you dance right on the edge of calling yourself an anarchist doncha?

There is nothing I despise as much as any emotionally stunted jackass who calls themselves an anarchist. It's anti-social idiocy covered as a political ideology. Exactly like libertarians but without the intellectual batshittery that some really smart people use to get there.

[The Anti-Targ]

6 hours ago, Fragile Bird said:

WT Flying F?

He also publicly forgave the shooter and hopes he will be able to learn to be more tolerant and inclusive. The first bit is laudable, the second bit kind of shows a level of naivete that would allow one to be used as a political tool by the world's most powerful racist and Islamophobe.

[Jace, Extat]

5 minutes ago, The Anti-Targ said:

He also publicly forgave the shooter and hopes he will be able to learn to be more tolerant and inclusive. The first bit is laudable, the second bit kind of shows a level of naivete that would allow one to be used as a political tool by the world's most powerful racist and Islamophobe.

Why, exactly, is forgiving a murderer laudable? Homeboy is a fucking moron who enables people that hate him with his cowardice. Like women who vote for Trump or LGBT folks who think being a Republican makes them some kind of special.

And no, surviving a terror attack does not mean someone is incapable of being an idiot. This guy is now directly supporting the kind of people who will hurt others in the name of bigotry and hate, he's complicit.

[all swedes are racist]

4 minutes ago, Jace, Basilissa said:

NOTH-ING'S GOOD ENOUGH

NOTH-ING'S GOOD ENOUGH

NOTH-ING'S GOOD ENOUGH

GIVE ME EVERYTHING OR GIVE ME NOTHING WITH EXTRA NOTHING, PLEASE!!!

Bro, I've been tryin' to take it easy on ya. But goddamn you make me wanna smack liberals as a collective in the fucking mouth. You're not even liberal, I bet you dance right on the edge of calling yourself an anarchist doncha?

There is nothing I despise as much as any emotionally stunted jackass who calls themselves an anarchist. It's anti-social idiocy covered as a political ideology. Exactly like libertarians but without the intellectual batshittery that some really smart people use to get there.

this seems pretty unfair. first of all, $15/hour today is roughly equivalent to $13.70 in 2012 terms (the start of the fight for 15 movement) and will only drop by 2025. while certainly a small improvement over the current $7.25, its still insufficiently high enough to be a just and livable wage. 
and calling anarchism 'anti-social' is such an ungenerous reading, i'd imagine it comes from a complete unfamiliarity anarchist philosophy. 

[Fragile Bird]

Lol, the Senate will never pass the increase, it's a joke!

[Mr. Chatywin et al.]

2 hours ago, Jace, Basilissa said:

I wanna keep referring to him as Wormtongue but Grima made the right choice at the end. And then I think about Wormtail but even he hesitated when faced with fulfilling his freaky as boss' vision.

I'm left with Gollum. And no, I did not say Smeagol. There's nothing redeemable there.

I can get behind this. The ring was a symbol of power, and Graham is sacrificing everything to keep his. 

1 hour ago, Varysblackfyre321 said:

The implication of course being exiling someone for their political stances is a punishment, that would not be applied to those who follow Trump.

Remember though  the right overwhelmingly  loves free-speech, and political discourse, and cry any viewpoint shouldn’t be suppressed in any way. I’m sure Graham is being destroyed amongst the Right for his defense of people who advocate government punishing someone for criticizing the country. 

Even if they hate Omar. 

And I couldn’t keep a straight face when I wrote this either lol. 

That was basically Omar's response, you filthy socialist communist America hating pinko commie! 

[Bonnot OG]

46 minutes ago, Jace, Basilissa said:

NOTH-ING'S GOOD ENOUGH

NOTH-ING'S GOOD ENOUGH

NOTH-ING'S GOOD ENOUGH

GIVE ME EVERYTHING OR GIVE ME NOTHING WITH EXTRA NOTHING, PLEASE!!!

Bro, I've been tryin' to take it easy on ya. But goddamn you make me wanna smack liberals as a collective in the fucking mouth. You're not even liberal, I bet you dance right on the edge of calling yourself an anarchist doncha?

There is nothing I despise as much as any emotionally stunted jackass who calls themselves an anarchist. It's anti-social idiocy covered as a political ideology. Exactly like libertarians but without the intellectual batshittery that some really smart people use to get there.

Let’s just be happy with small progress that isn’t actually progress when you realize in 6 years the cost of living will go up even more making that 15 an hour increase a big ole nothing!

Six years isn’t exactly a few. $15 is where it should’ve been several years ago.

 

If this was to $20, I might be more accepting, but, as is, this is too slow and not enough.

 

[Bonnot OG]

7 minutes ago, Fragile Bird said:

Lol, the Senate will never pass the increase, it's a joke!

The optics Congress trying is important, but still, 15 an hour in 6 years is a joke and not enough. And yea, the senate won’t pass any sort of raise. 

 

Even if it did some how pass, the stacked right wing courts will certainly go to work in it as well.

[Mexal]

50 minutes ago, Bonnot OG said:

 

 

this is a joke. That’s not even enough of a living wage now let alone in 6 years.

You raise that today and you'll put a shitload of small businesses out of business. That might be fine for you, but a lot of livelihoods, especially outside of urban environments, rely on that. I think raising the federal minimum wage to $15 is a mistake regardless. Local economics should play a part in the decision.

[Bonnot OG]

5 minutes ago, Mexal said:

You raise that today and you'll put a shitload of small businesses out of business. That might be fine for you, but a lot of livelihoods, especially outside of urban environments, rely on that. I think raising the federal minimum wage to $15 is a mistake regardless. Local economics should play a part in the decision.

I really don’t care about small businesses that take advantage of their employees by playing on that. If you can’t afford to pay your employees a living wage, you should do the work yourself or not be in business, it’s that simple. 

[Fragile Bird]

1 minute ago, Mexal said:

You raise that today and you'll put a shitload of small businesses out of business. That might be fine for you, but a lot of livelihoods, especially outside of urban environments, rely on that. I think raising the federal minimum wage to $15 is a mistake regardless. Local economics should play a part in the decision.

That's a load of bullshit too. Raise the minimum wage and people can buy things. Henry Ford paid his workers enough to be able to buy a car.

[Mexal]

Just now, Bonnot OG said:

I really don’t care about small businesses that take advantage of their employees by playing on that. If you can’t afford to pay your employees a living wage, you should do the work yourself or not be in business.

Spoken like someone who has never actually run a business, who doesn't have employees, who doesn't understand that there is a loaded cost baked in beyond minimum wage which includes insurance, benefits and that the cost of that is based on payroll. Then you factor in the cost of buying equipment, rent, supplies and competing factors that drives price of goods down. It's fucking hard. If your goal is to get rid of all the small businesses, so be it, but you speak from ignorance.

[Mexal]

2 minutes ago, Fragile Bird said:

That's a load of bullshit too. Raise the minimum wage and people can buy things. Henry Ford paid his workers enough to be able to buy a car.

Henry Ford did this in an environment that is much different from todays.

[Fragile Bird]

Just now, Mexal said:

Spoken like someone who has never actually run a business, who doesn't have employees, who doesn't understand that there is a loaded cost baked in beyond minimum wage which includes insurance, benefits and that the cost of that is based on payroll. Then you factor in the cost of buying equipment, rent, supplies and competing factors that drives price of goods down. It's fucking hard. If your goal is to get rid of all the small businesses, so be it, but you speak from ignorance.

Oh come off it. The US is the world's richest fucking nation. For once I 100% agree with Bonnot. If you can't pay a living wage get the bloody hell out of your business, you have the wrong business model.

If you put the the family members of Walmart together I think you have the richest family in the US.  They got there by severely underpaying they workers.

[Mexal]

5 minutes ago, Fragile Bird said:

Oh come off it. The US is the world's richest fucking nation. For once I 100% agree with Bonnot. If you can't pay a living wage get the bloody hell out of your business, you have the wrong business model.

If you put the the family members of Walmart together I think you have the richest family in the US.  They got there by severely underpaying they workers.

Who gives a shit if the US is the richest nation? There is a MASSIVE disparity between big corporations, the super rich and everyone else who are just trying to get by. Just because the US is the richest nation in the world doesn't mean every business benefits from that. Small businesses generally don't. It's this kind of attitude that fails to understand anywhere outside of major cities and major corporations.

Another factor you completely miss is that if you're paying everyone $15 and then minimum wage is increased, you have to jack up their rates as well because they can't be paid the minimum wage but you're not getting more for your goods, you're competing against China and other cheaper locations and you're dealing with increased costs of supply, insurance while not selling more goods. It's added cost that you aren't planning for, it means you have to let people go but then you have an issue completing your orders. Again, you have no idea what it takes to run a small business so please don't give me large scale macro economic platitudes.

[Jace, Extat]

2 minutes ago, Fragile Bird said:

Oh come off it. The US is the world's richest fucking nation. For once I 100% agree with Bonnot. If you can't pay a living wage get the bloody hell out of your business, you have the wrong business model.

If you put the the family members of Walmart together I think you have the richest family in the US.  They got there by severely underpaying they workers.

This is true, but decidedly ignorant of political realities. I've said it before, and I'll say it again in all caps THERE ARE NO POOR PEOPLE IN AMERICA, THEY JUST AREN'T RICH YET!!!!

People believe, genuinely believe, that unlivable wages are essential to their own way of life. Because as soon as they get that first million, (it's coming! they may not have a plan, but it's coming!) they don't want the lazy ones to take all their nonexistent future money. 

The $15 an hour concept has taken a long time to even become palatable for most liberals, let alone Democrats. And @Mexal is right, just doing it overnight at the Federal level is not as simple as some would have you believe "people make more $$$ people buy more with $$$, capital is a closed loop". There's a pretty fun episode of It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia about this concept, because it's waaaaaaaaaay more complicated than that.

Personally, I think the way forward is to transfer the burden for things like insurance costs away from the employer (with things like medicare-for-all) to free up more cash to be mandated towards the employees.

The proposition was put forward by the House specifically to make McConnell shoot it down, and it had to be diluted to the 'over 6 years' thing just to get Democrats on board. This is how politics works, people. Not every bill is supposed to pass, it's about forwarding the position and exposing the enemy.

Just another thing that the constant 'every issue is the most important issue of our time' attitude has completely failed to comprehend.

[Fragile Bird]

1 minute ago, Mexal said:

Who gives a shit if the US is the richest nation? There is a MASSIVE disparity between big corporations, the super rich and everyone else who are just trying to get by. Just because the US is the richest nation in the world doesn't mean every business benefits from that. Small businesses generally don't. It's this kind of attitude that fails to understand anywhere outside of major cities and major corporations.

Another factor you completely miss is that if you're paying everyone $15 and then minimum wage is increased, you have to jack up their rates as well because they can't be paid the minimum wage but you're not getting more for your goods, you're competing against China and other cheaper locations and you're dealing with increased costs of supply, insurance while not selling more goods. It's added cost that you aren't planning for, it means you have to let people go but then you have an issue completing your orders. Again, you have no idea what it takes to run a small business so please don't give me large scale macro economic platitudes.

Fuck yes I know what it takes to run a small business, my dad ran his own company, my mom ran her business and I have run different businesses in my life. If you can't pay a living wage, don't hire employees, do your own damn work. The US moves further and further into bigger disparities in income because politicians cater to the rich, and the rich always want more money. Screw the workers. Income tax is used in countries around the world to narrow those disparities, to make society more equal. In the US, as far as I can tell, the idea of achieving fairness in society has just been totally abandoned.