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I think one problem with violence from the left in the USA is that the general population is still conditioned to be way more fearful of a violent communist / socialist take over than a violent fascist one. Until facism is a bigger boogey man than communism violence from the left will always struggle to gain popular sympathy.

Also, for an example of non-violent political action vs violence you could look at New Zealand and how the Maori land wars turned out for Maori (very badly), vs the achievements Maori have made in the second half of the 20th century and into this century (things aren't fixed, but they are a helluva lot better than what they were, and continuing to improve).

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5 hours ago, Martell Spy said:

Its true, but I'd say they already have the armbands too. They just wear them on their heads.

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35 minutes ago, The Anti-Targ said:

I think one problem with violence from the left in the USA is that the general population is still conditioned to be way more fearful of a violent communist / socialist take over than a violent fascist one. Until facism is a bigger boogey man than communism violence from the left will always struggle to gain popular sympathy.

Also, for an example of non-violent political action vs violence you could look at New Zealand and how the Maori land wars turned out for Maori (very badly), vs the achievements Maori have made in the second half of the 20th century and into this century (things aren't fixed, but they are a helluva lot better than what they were, and continuing to improve).

Well the fascists can openly hide among the military, the police, the border services, and gun-toting militias. And get rewarded for it. The whole 1950's or 1910's Red Scare thing is over though except among old Republicans. 

And no Biden. Bad dog, no biscuit. Obamacare repeals were the worst bills introduced in Congress in decades. When the GOP was threatening to pass them, I literally heard people talking about how their grandma was going to get tossed out on the street due to the Medicaid cuts. No Democrat has ever tried to pass a grandma-killing bill, or a grandma starving bill for that matter. That is completely on the Republicans. Harming poor people is an obsession for them. 

If a Democrat did introduce a grandma-killing bill, that fucker would be driven from the party. 

Obamacare repeal was more than just repealing the ACA. It was a full-frontal assault on Medicaid and an attempt to return our healthcare policy to the 1950's.

Joe Biden Likens ‘Medicare For All’ To GOP Obamacare Repeal
“I’m surprised that so many Democrats are running on getting rid of it,” Biden said of Obamacare.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-biden-health-care-proposal_n_5d2c8b78e4b0bd7d1e203fc4

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“I knew the Republicans would do everything in their power to try and repeal Obamacare,” Biden said in an email to supporters Monday. “But I’m surprised that so many Democrats are running on getting rid of it.”

“I know how hard it was to get passed,” he added. “Starting over just makes no sense to me.”

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Martell Spy said:

Well the fascists can openly hide among the military, the police, the border services, and gun-toting militias. And get rewarded for it. The whole 1950's or 1910's Red Scare thing is over though except among old Republicans. 

I don't think it is. It's the reason Republicans can still use the "S" word and get large swathes of the country all a flutter. And as soon as any organised violence from the left hits the streets "Bolshevik" and "Stalinist" will be deployed into the media narrative, often and loudly.

And don't forget, the left isn't just commies and socialists. They are GODLESS commies and socialists.

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5 minutes ago, The Anti-Targ said:

I don't think it is. It's the reason Republicans can still use the "S" word and get large swathes of the country all a flutter. And as soon as any organised violence from the left hits the streets "Bolshevik" and "Stalinist" will be deployed into the media narrative, often and loudly.

And don't forget, the left isn't just commies and socialists. They are GODLESS commies and socialists.

Oh well, I would know it quite well, as I am literally godless. These old ideas are fading though. Even among conservatives, church attendance is slumping.

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In general, the US  is very prone  to not doing much of anything regardless. Someone elsewhere pointed out how US citizens willingly rationed all sorts of things during WW2 - but that was after we entered the war. Before that? Only 28 fucking % in 1941 of US populace wanted the US to enter the war. It took Pearl Harbor to mobilize. 

And ever since, the US has spent a crazy amount of money to make war as comfortable for the average citizen as possible. Especially after Vietnam, where it was shown that the biggest deal wasn't how many of Them that we killed - no, it was sending our kids over there. We've been in actual hot wars since then for the last 45 years, and not a single draft was done. Imagine that - being at war for almost a half-century without any major impact on the populace.

Anyway, the notion that armed insurrection will happen in any way, shape or form is belied by the fact that these mighty internet heroes that are posting are not, actually, going out and smashing people's faces in either. 

What has worked in the past hasn't been armed insurrection or nonviolence. What has worked is riots. Riots brought publicity to the internment camps in 1943, which ended up killing them in 1945. Riots were the threat that LBJ had to deal with so that MLK's goal seemed a lot better, and what LBJ thought of when finally signing the Civil Rights Act. Riots - largely massive property damage - are what makes the US actually sit up and pay attention and things get changed. 

Want things to change? Start riots. 

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3 minutes ago, Kalbear said:

In general, the US  is very prone  to not doing much of anything regardless. Someone elsewhere pointed out how US citizens willingly rationed all sorts of things during WW2 - but that was after we entered the war. Before that? Only 28 fucking % in 1941 of US populace wanted the US to enter the war. It took Pearl Harbor to mobilize. 

And ever since, the US has spent a crazy amount of money to make war as comfortable for the average citizen as possible. Especially after Vietnam, where it was shown that the biggest deal wasn't how many of Them that we killed - no, it was sending our kids over there. We've been in actual hot wars since then for the last 45 years, and not a single draft was done. Imagine that - being at war for almost a half-century without any major impact on the populace.

Anyway, the notion that armed insurrection will happen in any way, shape or form is belied by the fact that these mighty internet heroes that are posting are not, actually, going out and smashing people's faces in either. 

What has worked in the past hasn't been armed insurrection or nonviolence. What has worked is riots. Riots brought publicity to the internment camps in 1943, which ended up killing them in 1945. Riots were the threat that LBJ had to deal with so that MLK's goal seemed a lot better, and what LBJ thought of when finally signing the Civil Rights Act. Riots - largely massive property damage - are what makes the US actually sit up and pay attention and things get changed. 

Want things to change? Start riots. 

Well, Roosevelt did want in the war and took steps to make it more likely.

And yeah, it is pretty clear that, agree or disagree with the fire bomber's actions, no one here completely agrees with him enough to actually do that. Because that man is dead and all of us are alive and posting in here.

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You managed again -- so pollster -- to leave out the wanna be empress Irene demanded -- in italics no less -- what my plan was, and still has none of his/her own. 

Get over yourself, boyo, coz well, you know what Gertrude Stein said: there is no there there.

But it's cute that you're pretending to be a knight gallant for a basilessa in distress. 

Well, maybe not.

 

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Also, it's amusing to me that @Bonnot OG is all 'he was just trying to destroy property'. Yeah, the guy was - he was trying to blow up the fucking detention center with a bunch of people in it. Specifically, he was stopped while attempting to blow up the propane tank and set the building on fire. He was also armed with an AR-15, and he had a manifesto and was expecting to die. 

So...yeah. 

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2 minutes ago, Zorral said:

You managed to leave out that the wanna be empress Irene demanded -- in italics no less -- what my plan was.  Get a room or get a job, make up a poll,  whatever, but give up pretending you have authority to boss around anybody buddy -- the bossing which is all about you making it about you.  Get over yourself coz well, you know what Gertrude Stein said: there is no there there.

To be fair, it's really easy to lecture people on what they aren't doing and accuse them of not doing enough, and a lot harder to tell people what the right thing to do is.

So is the right thing nonviolent protest? Violent protest? Riots? Sacrificing yourself while blowing shit up? 

My personal take is that the only viable thing for now is to try and get as many people voting for Democratic candidates as humanly possible in the short term. The goal has to be to get more people to vote, especially in swing states. When Dems are in power, we can actually talk about what we want Dems to get done and how (though most of what they CAN do is fairly limited anyway), but until that time it is useless to talk about anything else. If you have other ideas, cool beans, go for it. But telling people on an internet forum that they're wasting their time playing video games is particularly rich. You're spending your energy trying to do what, convince 6-8 regular posters in their 30s to 40s on a long-eclipsed part of the internet that they should listen to you? Please.

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14 minutes ago, Jace, Basilissa said:

I mean that really got outta hand.

Mission accomplished?

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1 hour ago, Kalbear said:

In general, the US  is very prone  to not doing much of anything regardless. Someone elsewhere pointed out how US citizens willingly rationed all sorts of things during WW2 - but that was after we entered the war. Before that? Only 28 fucking % in 1941 of US populace wanted the US to enter the war. It took Pearl Harbor to mobilize. 

And ever since, the US has spent a crazy amount of money to make war as comfortable for the average citizen as possible. Especially after Vietnam, where it was shown that the biggest deal wasn't how many of Them that we killed - no, it was sending our kids over there. We've been in actual hot wars since then for the last 45 years, and not a single draft was done. Imagine that - being at war for almost a half-century without any major impact on the populace.

Anyway, the notion that armed insurrection will happen in any way, shape or form is belied by the fact that these mighty internet heroes that are posting are not, actually, going out and smashing people's faces in either

What has worked in the past hasn't been armed insurrection or nonviolence. What has worked is riots. Riots brought publicity to the internment camps in 1943, which ended up killing them in 1945. Riots were the threat that LBJ had to deal with so that MLK's goal seemed a lot better, and what LBJ thought of when finally signing the Civil Rights Act. Riots - largely massive property damage - are what makes the US actually sit up and pay attention and things get changed. 

Want things to change? Start riots. 

Lol I love when people make this assumption. Because making a post here once in a while is indicative of what goes on the other 23 hours of the day right bud?  

 

 

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11 minutes ago, Kalbear said:

Why? So you can post it on your tumblr and make a pinterest about anarchy slogans? Because you have demonstrated even less than I have with less cred and less convincing diatribes. Seriously, you just advocated and cheered on a guy who tried to blow up a detention center with the people inside it. How does hoping old dudes blow up people in prison give you cred in your mind? 

I'm here because I've been here for 16 years. I met my wife from these boards. But I dont know why some random anarchoinstagram blowhard would post here of all places any more except to show how maximally ineffective they could be. 

Awww I didn't know that. That's awesome.

(Really, not being sarcastic, that's awesome)

So anyway i stay out of the politics threads for a few weeks and we're all trying to kill each other now, or something?

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2 minutes ago, Darth Richard II said:

Awww I didn't know that. That's awesome.

(Really, not being sarcastic, that's awesome)

So anyway i stay out of the politics threads for a few weeks and we're all trying to kill each other now, or something?

You are our moral center. Without you we are lost.

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15 minutes ago, Darth Richard II said:

So anyway i stay out of the politics threads for a few weeks and we're all trying to kill each other now, or something?

Some people have decided that since Trump is a threat to liberal democracy, we need to jettison liberal democracy and have a violent revolution... to preserve liberal democracy. 

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