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5 hours ago, Mikael said:

I guess i was unclear. Arent we already at about 1 child/couple, so at least in the west, no such law is needed.

No you were clear. I understood you meaning low birth rates meant it was unnecessary. Just pointing out that policy/law would be different because it's compelling/forcing the decision, whereas right now preference could change and birth rates rise without consequences.

Your point is fair though, the countries with higher birth rates are not (for the most part) the ones causing major concern over Climate change. There are also compelling reasons FOR the high birth rates in many of these countries (high infant mortality caused by various factors) and unless you address those underlying problems a one child policy isn't really suitable.

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Population per se isn't really a problem so even if birth rates rise it's not necessary to introduce regulatory limits on reproduction. The earth has a higher human carrying capacity than our current population if we transform energy production and substantially reduce waste. Both of which are achievable without having to entertain notions of draconian population controls and without having to sacrifice basic quality of life needs.

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The problem isn't population. The problem is that a US citizen produces something like 30 times the waste that other world citizens do. 

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1 hour ago, Kalbear said:

The problem isn't population. The problem is that a US citizen produces something like 30 times the waste that other world citizens do. 

That’s called freedom, Kal.

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Category 4 Hurricane getting ready to slam Fla. for Labor Day,  while today a 6.3 earthquake on the Oregon coast. 

 

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interestingly, the major players affected oppose the rollbacks:

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/epa-to-roll-back-regulations-on-methane-a-potent-greenhouse-gas/ar-AAGuC9u?ocid=msnclassic

 

The rollback is particularly notable because major energy companies have, in fact, spoken out against it — joining the ranks of automakers, electric utilities and other industrial giants that have opposed other administration initiatives to dismantle climate-change and environmental rules. Several of the world’s largest auto companies are pushing backagainst President Trump’s plans to let vehicles pollute more, saying those rollbacks stand to split the United States auto market in two, and utilities have opposed the relaxation of restrictions on toxic mercury pollution from coal-burning power plants.

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The Misogyny of Climate Change

 

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In 2014, Jonas Anshelm and Martin Hultman of Chalmers published a paper analyzing the language of a focus group of climate skeptics. The common themes in the group, they said, were striking: “for climate skeptics … it was not the environment that was threatened, it was a certain kind of modern industrial society built and dominated by their form of masculinity.”

The connection has to do with a sense of group identity under threat, Hultman told me—an identity they perceive to be under threat from all sides. Besieged, as they see it, both by developing gender equality—Hultman pointed specifically to the shock some men felt at the #MeToo movement—and now climate activism’s challenge to their way of life, male reactionaries motivated by right-wing nationalism, anti-feminism, and climate denialism increasingly overlap, the three reactions feeding off of one another.

“There is a package of values and behaviors connected to a form of masculinity that I call ‘industrial breadwinner masculinity.’ They see the world as separated between humans and nature. They believe humans are obliged to use nature and its resources to make products out of them. And they have a risk perception that nature will tolerate all types of waste. It’s a risk perception that doesn’t think of nature as vulnerable and as something that is possible to be destroyed. For them, economic growth is more important than the environment” Hultman told Deutsche Welle last year.

 

 

 

 

 

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a bit of good news...

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/builders-are-swapping-cement-for-hemp-to-reduce-pollution/ar-AAGyKMf?ocid=msnclassic

 

Six years after setting up shop in the shadow of Calgary’s tar sands, Mac Radford, 64, says he can’t satisfy all the orders from builders for Earth-friendly materials that help them limit their carbon footprints. His company, JustBioFiber Structural Solutions, is on the vanguard of businesses using hemp — the cousin of marijuana devoid of psychoactive content — to mitigate the greenhouse gases behind global warming.

 

Around the world, builders are putting modern twists into ancient construction methods that employ the hearty hemp weed. Roman engineers used the plant’s sinewy fibers in the mortar they mixed to hold up bridges. More recently, former White House adviser Steve Bannon weighed in on using so-called hempcrete to build walls. Early results indicate it’s possible to tap demand for cleaner alternatives to cement.

“We have way more demand than we can supply,” said Radford from his plant in Airdrie, which is undergoing expansion and soon expects to churn out enough Lego-like hemp bricks each year to build 2,000 homes.

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the major players affected oppose the rollbacks:

FFS.  it's almost as though trump's deregulators and the crapulent koch boys were wanting the planet to heat up, as though they were extraterrestrials terraforming the planet.  or trying to reduce the population to 144,000.  dunno.  tossup for me.

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8 minutes ago, sologdin said:

the major players affected oppose the rollbacks:

FFS.  it's almost as though trump's deregulators and the crapulent koch boys were wanting the planet to heat up, as though they were extraterrestrials terraforming the planet.  or trying to reduce the population to 144,000.  dunno.  tossup for me.

Am looking out the window across the river right now watching a storm approach.  Looks normal except for one funnel cloud forming around what appears to be a MAGA-studded sarcophagus.  Weird.

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On 8/30/2019 at 5:53 AM, Triskele said:

It's probably a little outdated, the rhetoric has changed since 2014. Actual climate change denial has gotten a lot rarer, it's only the real fringe of the right wing who go in for full denial. Far more common now is the idea that it's happening, but there's nothing we can do because India and China are polluting so much.

I'd say nationalism is the real issue from a political standpoint. People can't get their heads around trying to see a global issue without using the nation state as the basis, even though that's very limiting when looking at enivronment issues.

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23 hours ago, larrytheimp said:

Am looking out the window across the river right now watching a storm approach.  Looks normal except for one funnel cloud forming around what appears to be a MAGA-studded sarcophagus.  Weird.

THEY'RE TAKING OUR JOBS

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16 hours ago, DireWolfSpirit said:

Okay raise your hand if you don't know what a sarcophagus is. Seriously, I can't be the only one.:blink:

 

archaic word for 'coffin,' usually made of stone. 'sepulcher' is an more archaic word 

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4 minutes ago, ThinkerX said:

archaic word for 'coffin,' usually made of stone. 'sepulcher' is an more archaic word 

Yeah Im surprized I had not heard it used before.

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3 hours ago, DireWolfSpirit said:

Yeah Im surprized I had not heard it used before.

you might need to read more of the old school sword and sorcery tales.  Those authors were fond of digging up ancient words that these days can't even be found in supposedly comprehensive modern thesauruses.

 

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On 8/31/2019 at 5:51 AM, sologdin said:

the major players affected oppose the rollbacks:

FFS.  it's almost as though trump's deregulators and the crapulent koch boys were wanting the planet to heat up, as though they were extraterrestrials terraforming the planet.  or trying to reduce the population to 144,000.  dunno.  tossup for me.

The competency on display from most of these guys is pretty consistent with the characterisation of your latter hypothesis.

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On 8/31/2019 at 3:23 AM, mankytoes said:

It's probably a little outdated, the rhetoric has changed since 2014. Actual climate change denial has gotten a lot rarer, it's only the real fringe of the right wing who go in for full denial. Far more common now is the idea that it's happening, but there's nothing we can do because India and China are polluting so much.

 

Deny. Deny. Deny. Defeated. Avoid responsibility at all costs, and praise yourself for being a practical thinker and not a sheep.

 

 

I was on the bus last month and the driver was playing Rush Limbaugh on his iphone. Rush was going on and on about if climate change is real, how is he as just one man able to change nature? If a tornado comes he gets out of the way, if a blizzard comes he bundles up and stays inside, if a rainstorm comes he uses an umbrella. If the weather gets hot, he turns on the AC, uses a freezer/refrigerator. Humans don't change the climate, they just adapt. So basically he excuses himself and everybody listening because just one person can't do anything about it. "Whew, that's a relief! No need to change my lifestyle, and no guilt!"

Totally neglecting that when humans work together they can do things that affect nature, for good or for bad...big industry, the atom bomb, landing on the moon, A.I., curing diseases, biological warfare, preserving/destroying natural habitats, saving from or causing the extinction of other species, etc.

The whole time the bus driver was nodding along and saying "Yep!" "That's right!" "True!"

I just wanted to bang my head against the window.  

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