The Boys (Amazon)

[Veltigar]

3 hours ago, Kalibear said:

Since the ep has aired I think we dont need spoiler tags to discuss it.

Since this thread is not marked with spoilers, I feel like its courteous to keep on using the tags.

6 hours ago, Alarich II said:

The problem with that explanation is that

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Cindy escapes after Lamplighter burns her cell door away and has her superpowers fully available as soon as she steps out of that cell. If she was drugged and only escaped because Lamplighter burned her cell open, then how could she crush the ward and proceed to crush all the other cell doors just moments after stepping out of her cell?

 

I think @karaddin has already given a very thoughtful rebuke.

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She was underpowered throughout the incident due to drugging which kept her from bursting out the door, but once she was out, she was out. 

 

6 hours ago, Gaston de Foix said:

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I think someone said upthread the actor playing him was African-American.  And Chekhov's gun suggests you don't put a man in a mask and a body suit unless the mask is going to come off so....

 

Misdirection 

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most importantly, is it an important actor? Because if he's a glorified stunt double, he's probably just a place holder until the true reveal.

 

[Nictarion]

2 hours ago, Veltigar said:

Since this thread is not marked with spoilers, I feel like its courteous to keep on using the tags.

Seems a bit much. The only stuff that should be tagged are comic spoilers, imo. 

[karaddin]

My feeling on spoiler tags is that I'm watching it earlier than most of you on the day it comes out and you could reasonably stumble into the thread not realising anyone had seen it yet. Probably not necessary once it's Sat in the US though.

[Veltigar]

Clarity is important when applying the standard of the law. Tags all the way! it is such a convenient system really. Elegant in its simplicity. 

[Gaston de Foix]

18 hours ago, Veltigar said:

Since this thread is not marked with spoilers, I feel like its courteous to keep on using the tags.

I think @karaddin has already given a very thoughtful rebuke.

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She was underpowered throughout the incident due to drugging which kept her from bursting out the door, but once she was out, she was out. 

 

Misdirection 

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most importantly, is it an important actor? Because if he's a glorified stunt double, he's probably just a place holder until the true reveal.

 

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I see your point.  Although its pretty subtle misdirection since only us uber-nerds are going to realize this.   Does anyone actually know the name of the actor playing Black Noir? I can't remember who posted it. 

 

[karaddin]

1 hour ago, Gaston de Foix said:

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I see your point.  Although its pretty subtle misdirection since only us uber-nerds are going to realize this.   Does anyone actually know the name of the actor playing Black Noir? I can't remember who posted it. 

 

Noir is currently acted by Nathan Mitchell - he is an actor rather than exclusively stunt actor, and his other major role is on Supernatural so Kripke connection. Was in 5 EPs of iZombie as one of the FilmoreGraves soldiers.

Not of the question for him to keep playing the role after a mask off moment, but also room to cast a bigger name if they wanted to.

[Zorral]

15 hours ago, karaddin said:

My feeling on spoiler tags is that I'm watching it earlier than most of you on the day it comes out and you could reasonably stumble into the thread not realising anyone had seen it yet. Probably not necessary once it's Sat in the US though.

Well, I often don't watch until Sunday or Monday, due to work / time, etc.

[Gaston de Foix]

50 minutes ago, karaddin said:

Noir is currently acted by Nathan Mitchell - he is an actor rather than exclusively stunt actor, and his other major role is on Supernatural so Kripke connection. Was in 5 EPs of iZombie as one of the FilmoreGraves soldiers.

Not of the question for him to keep playing the role after a mask off moment, but also room to cast a bigger name if they wanted to.

That would be a really sucky thing for them to do to him.  But it's Hollywood so...

 

[karaddin]

36 minutes ago, Zorral said:

Well, I often don't watch until Sunday or Monday, due to work / time, etc.

You'd been the bench mark I was using for the last of the weekly watchers contributing, so "after Zorral has watched" would have been more accurate for when I'm mostly dropping the spoiler tags lol. Doesn't work as a general rule though

[Gaston de Foix]

Not to thread derail but Amazon recently launched a show Utopia that has drawn a lot of comparisons to the Boys.  Has anyone seen it?

[Zorral]

4 hours ago, karaddin said:

You'd been the bench mark I was using for the last of the weekly watchers contributing, so "after Zorral has watched" would have been more accurate for when I'm mostly dropping the spoiler tags lol. Doesn't work as a general rule though

That's very thoughful.  Thank you!  OTOH, I'm not as bothered by spoilers as others are.  Though it it's funny;  Spoilers do bother me rather more in a weekly episode schedule than a binge schedule.  Which makes no sense.

 

[Corvinus85]

That ending. 

[Kalbear]

This show is pretty spectacular.

[Arch-MaesterPhilip]

Holy fuck.......what the hell was that?

[red snow]

On 9/26/2020 at 10:09 PM, Veltigar said:

 

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She got turned into a superhero. Did she become one as an adult or as a child? What are the adds  that she has this massive power advantage over everyone but Homelander? Why is she alone capable of standing the test of time?

 

And now that we know they are working on stuff to turn adults into supes, how long before the Boys start juicing V?

 

 

 

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Ah, that might be the case. I just thought her powers had been growing, but I guess you are probably right. Who knows how many Nazi's she has on hand to take care of shit like that. I do wonder what will happen to Cindy. She seems like she could easily be the third strongest superhero after Homelander and SF

 

 

He wasn't working for them, they blackmailed him. 

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He probably reported that to Vought instead of actually spying and they then tricked him into sending Mallory a message by burning the kids. Afterwards they pulled him from circulation and gave him a job that needed someone capable and willing of keeping their mouth shut. A soldier, which he had proven to be. 

 

Ah, that makes a bit more sense regarding lamplighter

Regarding Stormfront not ageing I'm putting that down to all/most the superheroes don't age? Or it's at least slowed down a lot. I don't think we ever saw an unmasked flashback of stormfront so she may well have appeared younger.

Plus Soldier boy has been cast for season 3 and there's no way Jensen ackles looks 100+ years old. So my reckoning is that compund V extends lifespan substantially. Or at the very least the earliest version of it did. But that then raises the question of why Vought never took it - a lot easier to run your company if you live for longer. Maybe he has though?

[Veltigar]

22 minutes ago, red snow said:

Ah, that makes a bit more sense regarding lamplighter

Regarding Stormfront not ageing I'm putting that down to all/most the superheroes don't age? Or it's at least slowed down a lot. I don't think we ever saw an unmasked flashback of stormfront so she may well have appeared younger.

Plus Soldier boy has been cast for season 3 and there's no way Jensen ackles looks 100+ years old. So my reckoning is that compund V extends lifespan substantially. Or at the very least the earliest version of it did. But that then raises the question of why Vought never took it - a lot easier to run your company if you live for longer. Maybe he has though?

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An open question at this point and a likely twist if they are looking for one. I do think one in-universe explanation is that V has weird effects on adults. I think in show someone described it as either turning you into a supe, a freak or just plain killing you if you take it as an adult.

Perhaps Vought didn't want to risk it or knew that it wouldn't do anything for him. Which begs the question why he injected SF with it. Were they really in love or was it just SF Stockholm syndrome?

 

[red snow]

1 hour ago, Veltigar said:

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An open question at this point and a likely twist if they are looking for one. I do think one in-universe explanation is that V has weird effects on adults. I think in show someone described it as either turning you into a supe, a freak or just plain killing you if you take it as an adult.

Perhaps Vought didn't want to risk it or knew that it wouldn't do anything for him. Which begs the question why he injected SF with it. Were they really in love or was it just SF Stockholm syndrome?

 

I'll spolier tag despite being pure speculation 

There's still the flies that buzz around in certain scenes which I think is a reference to a freak power somewhere. Vought may only have risked taking it when a lot older eg nothing to lose. It might be ironic if he's in the freaky category - or typical "the boys" humour if it turned him black/non-white

[karaddin]

This episode delivered in spades.

The

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Mask off for Noir came a lot faster than I expected after our conversation on whether they'd recast - the answer now appears no. Also some power scaling meat here for those inclined, he manhandled Starlight but then Maeve handled him even more easily. It would make sense for her physical attributes to be significantly higher than everyone but HL (from the original bunch) given its all she's got.

I still don't think that makes SL underpowered though as she has plenty of utility beyond physical strength and could do things like take out planes and helicopters etc.

On the other front we've discussed in the last week I definitely don't think Cindy is the head popper now.

Homelander and Stormfront stealing Ryan away retained all the menace HL has on his own and then added SF on top as extra.

The comedy and other references were again on point this week

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Lamplighter and Hughie watching porn together and discussing cuck theory was amazing.

SF giving a shout out to Pewliedie was nice and pointed and I've already seen his fans swarming to gaslight anyone suggests that could be anything more than a popular YouTuber reference.

 

[Corvinus85]

@karaddin I watched the end scene twice.

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I had a small suspicion that Congresswoman, forget her name, AOC, may have been doing it, and we were going to get a crazy twist. After all, why wasn't she killed? But on more reflection, maybe not killing the Congresswoman was to not make her a martyr, but ruin any influence she could have on these issues. Also, the head popping continued even after she left the room.

I agree it's probably not Cindy, because I don't think she has such fine control of her powers to just snipe people's heads off. My guess is that it's someone who can Ant-man their way into people's heads, or someone who has the power to create exploding tumors. (I got that from Stargate)

Interesting that Shockwave got killed, likely done to allow to scapegoat whatever supe terrorist they find. Killing the black chairman of the committee first is a strong indication that SF is behind it. But why Shockwave, and not Maeve on account of her orientation?

 

[karaddin]

A bunch on Reddit were pretty solid on the idea

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That it was someone from the Church given Shockwave got got. Whether it's the leader himself or someone else doing his bidding was less clear. There could be something to this one, he was very confident he could get A-Train and The Deep back into the 7.

Wonder if SL's escape will be a wedge between SF and HL given he just wanted to kill her.