The Anti-Targ Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 One suggestion from the reliable source that is Youtube is that Boris reverts to a "Backstop is Northern Ireland only", which the EU was OK with and if that last minute change is made, the EU will approve, and this modified May deal can be put to the vote. Apparently,even if Parliament votes in favour Boris can then decide he doesn't quite like the deal as is, because apparently parliament voting for a deal isn't the end of it.. But there was a deal approved by the EU and passed by parliament so the Benn act has been neutralised. He will then simply be able to run down the clock and deliver no deal as planned. I don't know enough to know whether that kind of stunt is possible and legal. But if it is, could he actually get away with it publicly and politically? It would surely be political suicide to pass a deal in Parliament only to use it as a way around the Benn Act and have the UK crash out of the EU anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pebble thats Stubby Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 Obviously I want to remain. there are far too many problems with Brexit but I do have a potential solution for the Irish boarder issue. obviously it also have lots of problems and this is from my night shift brain so is probably also unworkable and full of unicorns. The big problem the UK has with the Backstop is that it locks the UK into accepting all future EU rules on goods without having a say. One of the biggest problems with Boris "new" deal, is NI can reject any future EU rules on goods and say up yours thus creating a backdoor. NI is strongly remain. Give NI a referendum on becoming an associate member or full member separate from the rest of the UK? of the EU as a separate entity from the rest of the UK. put the boarder in the sea. If this passes NI would have its own EU commissioner,NI first Minister would represent them in the EU meetings the PM normally goes to. our PM would not get a say we will have left. NI pays its membership fees (a lesser amount than the UK did) and keeps all the benefits. but they also remain part of the UK. Obviously there are problems with this and it might be too much a united Ireland thing, but hey Boris was still gonna put a boarder in the sea separating NI legally from the UK and the DUP says they support Boris's planned boarder. Any solution risks trouble 2.0 My solution might just be crazy enough to work and I think has less unicorns in it. although Scotland would want to join them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polishgenius Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 Here's Michael Gove, comparing Brexit to East Germany getting free of the USSR. On German Unification Day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Roses Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 1 hour ago, polishgenius said: Here's Michael Gove, comparing Brexit to East Germany getting free of the USSR. On German Unification Day. Humbug News. This is a good example of how Twitter has been extremely unhelpful for the last three years on BOTH sides of the debate. https://order-order.com/2019/10/04/ben-bradshaws-shameless-gove-fake-news/ The speech is on YouTube so you can listen and decide yourself rather than rely on Guido if he isn't your thing or if he brings you out in a rash. And yes Guido can be wrong too....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartofice Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 It’s also a bad comparison. East Germany got to leave the Soviet Union! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Anti-Targ Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 But...East Germany got subsumed into Germany and lost it's distinct national identity (not that it was worth keeping I imagine) and also joined the EU, the one that the UK is attempting to leave. I don't understand the comparison. Or does Gove not understand the history of Germany and the EU? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ants Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 What would be really funny is if the EU claimed to be considering Boris’s idea, but come back with a whole heap of areas/questions they need clarity on. Such as specific wording on the agreements etc. And keep doing that. So that Boris has the option to either break his promise and ask for an extension or be the one to cancel negotiations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liffguard Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 27 minutes ago, The Anti-Targ said: Or does Gove not understand...? For any given topic, he does not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jen'ari Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 Rory Stewart has officially resigned from the Conservative Party and thrown his hat in the ring for London Mayor as an independent, best of luck to him he can’t be any worse than the last two we’ve had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartofice Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 23 minutes ago, Bittersweet Distractor said: Rory Stewart has officially resigned from the Conservative Party and thrown his hat in the ring for London Mayor as an independent, best of luck to him he can’t be any worse than the last two we’ve had. Seems a bit of a waste I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaston de Foix Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Heartofice said: Seems a bit of a waste I think. I agree. Unless Sadiq stands as an MP this general election and positions himself as the next leader of the Labour party. He and Keir Starmer are the future of the party. Peter Foster (who has established himself as most reliable source on Brexit negotiations w/EU) reports that EU/Ireland deeply unimpressed by British proposals. Chances of a deal plummeting on a daily basis. https://twitter.com/pmdfoster?lang=en Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse Named Stranger Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 Hardly breaking news. I was more impressed by how much effort British News (I mean the BBC in particular) spent on saying the EU is seriously considering those terms, as they were so obviously deficient and really dead on arrival (at the latest). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jen'ari Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 2 hours ago, Gaston de Foix said: I agree. Unless Sadiq stands as an MP this general election and positions himself as the next leader of the Labour party. He and Keir Starmer are the future of the party. Peter Foster (who has established himself as most reliable source on Brexit negotiations w/EU) reports that EU/Ireland deeply unimpressed by British proposals. Chances of a deal plummeting on a daily basis. https://twitter.com/pmdfoster?lang=en I don’t think the Labour Party would install Sadiq as leader to be honest, he’s been a bit of a mixed bag popularity wise in London, to be fair he has done some good, although the ULEZ was actually the buffoons idea he did bring it forward and is expanding it to the north and south circulars in 2021. My main issue with him is how badly crime has spiked in London, wether that’s due to mismanagement by City Hall or policing cuts by central government I’m not sure as they both seem to blame each other!. Kier Stamer wouldn’t be a bad shout for Labour leader, ideally though they should bring back David Milliband. Either way I don’t think Rory Stewart would be a bad choice, I’d probably vote for him if I still lived in London. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaston de Foix Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 5 minutes ago, Bittersweet Distractor said: Kier Stamer wouldn’t be a bad shout for Labour leader, ideally though they should bring back David Milliband. David isn't interested, I believe. There have been overtures, and he has now been out of politics for a while. But agree that he would make the best leader of the Labour party in a post-Corbyn world. Random poll: who would you vote for in a general election if called imminently? Gaston: Lib Dem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maltaran Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 Probably Lib Dem, although I am concerned about Swinson's refusal to work with Labour under Corbyn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartofice Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 I’ll almost certainly be alone in voting Tory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 8 hours ago, The Anti-Targ said: But...East Germany got subsumed into Germany and lost it's distinct national identity (not that it was worth keeping I imagine) and also joined the EU, the one that the UK is attempting to leave. I don't understand the comparison. Or does Gove not understand the history of Germany and the EU? Gove and Johnson have a decidedly rose-tinted and one-sided view of history that lionises British achievements and completely ignores anything that is negative. Gove is slightly less obtuse and blind about history, but not by much. He fancies himself an intellectual in the party, which is curious given his well-known tendency to be reduced to screaming hysterics if someone disagrees with him and the camera isn't on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williamjm Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 2 hours ago, Maltaran said: Probably Lib Dem, although I am concerned about Swinson's refusal to work with Labour under Corbyn. Probably the same. I think Labour's policy on the most important policy issue of the day has been too confused for too long for me to trust them on it. I can understand the reluctance Swinson has for propping up Corbyn, but taking such an absolute point of view does feel like it's unnecessarily closing off future options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaircat Meow Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 Chaircat: Liberal Democrat I very much like Swinson's hard-line on Corbyn and the SNP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse Named Stranger Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 3 hours ago, Maltaran said: Probably Lib Dem, although I am concerned about Swinson's refusal to work with Labour under Corbyn. They are aiming for disgruntled Tory remainers. And for them Corbyn is still that big socialist boogeyman that is eating children, and not that hapless politician. For a good part of disgruntled Labour voters, who left the party over Corbyn (and his Brexit policy), I don't think there'S really that much love lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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