Which Tyler Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Unanimous that it IS judiciable (so England's court decision struck down) Prorogation is NOT the same as recess Decision to prorogue is UNlawful Prorogation is declared null and void, it legally has not happened. It's now up to the speaker's of each house where to go from here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pebble thats Stubby Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Its Unlawful. unanimous decision grab the popcorn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derfel Cadarn Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Fuck you Boris. With bells on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Which Tyler Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Wow, I wasn't expecting that. I expected unanimous that it was jediciable, majority that it was unlawful, but letting it stand with a slap on the wrist, or putting the ball back in BJ's court; and some guidance for future prorogations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philokles Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Wow. Unanimous on both counts. Wasn’t expecting that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rorshach Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, Derfel Cadarn said: Fuck you Boris. With bells on. Well, be reasonable. Who would like to fuck Boris now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ljkeane Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Bloody hell. That wasn’t the result I was expecting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HexMachina Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 I do have a lot of respect for our judiciary but even i’m (pleasantly) surprised at the ruling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Marquis de Leech Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 I just about choked on my drink. An unbelievably awful decision, and one that the judiciary would never dare make in any other circumstances. Politically, it renders the entire constitutional framework fluid in a way not seen since 1910 - and that is not a good thing. Worst case scenario is that this gets full seventeenth century, with multiple competing loci of power. And that way lies... something very, very dark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mormont Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Any other politician, I'd expect them to resign. Johnson, though. He might try to brazen this out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pebble thats Stubby Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 If Boris resigns can we crash out and not ask for the extension? As much as I'd like him to go, I don't think its the right time until the extension is asked. (I know legally he's required to ask for one if he can't pass a deal.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mormont Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Text of the decision here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49810680 Only time to drop the link rn, but it is interesting reading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ants Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 lol lol lol lol. HA HA! (finger pointing at Boris) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Which Tyler Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 37 minutes ago, Pebble thats Stubby said: If Boris resigns can we crash out and not ask for the extension? As much as I'd like him to go, I don't think its the right time until the extension is asked. (I know legally he's required to ask for one if he can't pass a deal.) No. If he resigns; he remains PM until someone else takes on the mantle. Oliver Dowden is the current Minister for the Cabinet Office, which makes him de facto deputy prime minister - he takes over if BJ is incapacitated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ants Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 4 minutes ago, Which Tyler said: No. If he resigns; he remains PM until someone else takes on the mantle. Oliver Dowden is the current Minister for the Cabinet Office, which makes him de facto deputy prime minister - he takes over if BJ is incapacitated Don't they have a deputy leader role? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Which Tyler Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 7 minutes ago, ants said: Don't they have a deputy leader role? Not since Nick Clegg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alarich II Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 1 hour ago, The Marquis de Leech said: Politically, it renders the entire constitutional framework fluid in a way not seen since 1910 - and that is not a good thing. I think it is debatable which of the following puts the most stress on the constitutional framework: - The decision to prorogue parliament for a very long time - Followed by the public declaration of the Executive to break a law - The judicial decision that this is essential an unlawful power-grab by the executive I mean, I understand the argument that courts should not interfere in what is essentially a political process. However, I believe that Lady Hale is right when she says: "The power to prorogue is limited by the constitutional principles with which it would otherwise conflict." and further: "For present purposes, the relevant limit on the power to prorogue is this: that a decision to prorogue (or advise the monarch to prorogue) will be unlawful if the prorogation has the effect of frustrating or preventing, without reasonable justification, the ability of Parliament to carry out its constitutional functions as a legislature and as the body responsible for the supervision of the executive." I copied that from Mormonts link which makes for interesting reading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Why is the UK supreme court relatively new? Is that because Scotland has different laws? I've obviously been following all this stuff but I'm a recent transplant and haven't quite been able to figure out why the court was established in 2009. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartofice Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 While there might be some question marks over the role of the SC in politics now, the murkiness was Johnson trying to hack the system and stop Parliament from doing its job. I for one am glad that our system does seem to work , at least better than I thought it did. So surely there would have to be a VONC now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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