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Why R'hllor faith/religion (apart from Old Gods) is the only religion that is trying to protect humanity from the Others? 

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On 8/16/2019 at 6:27 AM, BlackDread12 said:

What makes this faith different/special from let's say The Seven or The Drowned God?

 

That depends. 

If Euron is an agent of the Others or an agent of chaos then the Drowned God pushing Aeron to oppose him (make Asha Queen you stupid mortal!) could be taken as opposing them. Plus, the dead can’t cross water. Is that because of the Drowned Gods power?

Plus, we only think this because the Red Priests are aware of the prophecies. If, hypothetically, the Faith Militant was aware of the Others there would probably be legions of flaggelants marching on the wall and priests declaring the End Times. Come think of it, this has kind of happened with the rise of an extremist form of the faith; is that because the Seven are whipping the people up for war? The same is true of the Drowned God and Ironborn.

Or because unlike those faiths this one has a real Cthulhu monster behind it. What we are seeing is two Lovecraftian Elder Ones duelling for supremacy with their respective cults.

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On 8/16/2019 at 2:27 AM, BlackDread12 said:

What makes this faith different/special from let's say The Seven or The Drowned God?

How do you mean? Each of them is a different organized religion. The Faith of Seven and R'hllorism seem to be more institutionalized than the religion of the Iron Islands, not only they have priests and priestess/septons and septas, but also a defined power hierarchy and temples, which the worship of the drowned god seems to lack. When It comes to the northern worship the is clearer still, because it is an animist religion without so much as dedicated priests. I'm not sure what kind of difference or specialness you are trying to pinpoint.

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I think that besides R'hllor and Old Gods, all other deities are either based on those two, or are fakes.

Looks like The Seven were aliens. The girl, that they gave to Hugor of the Hill, could be bio-ingeneered being. The God-on-Earth, who claimed that he was son of Lion of Night and the Maiden-Made-of-Light, seems to be Haviland Tuf from GRRM's series "Tuf's voyaging". The Weirwood Network and greenseers are similar to parasitic mold from GRRM's novella "A Song for Lya". Possibly that parasite fell on Planetos together with Bloodstone, and infected the Children of the Forest and trees, that mutated into Weirwood and the-shade-of-the-evening trees. Bloodstone Emperor worshiped that stone, and according to Yi Ti's legends about the Great Empire of the Dawn, this is what caused the First Long Night. I think that Dawn of Daynes and Azor Ahai's Lightbringer is the same sword, and that first Lord Dayne, who build Starfall, is Azor Ahai. So, in my opinion, it's likely, that the sword was forged from Bloodstone. It's like Superman and cryptonite. What brought that parasitic mold to Planetos, can also annihilate it. "Old Gods" are that parasite, and R'hllor is Bloodstone's origin. Both "deities" came to Planetos from the same place (possibly Tuf's space-ship the Ark). So all real powers on Planetos are actually alien.

Based on this (F&B V1):

"All this the court and kingdom might have come to accept in time, had Lady Larra not also insisted upon keeping her own gods. She would have no part in the worship of the Seven, nor the old gods of the northmen. Her worship was reserved for certain of the manifold gods of Lys: the six-breasted cat goddess Pantera, Yndros of the Twilight who was male by day and female by night, the pale child Bakkalon of the Sword, faceless Saagael, the giver of pain.

Her ladies, her servants, and her guards would join Lady Larra at certain times in performing obeisances to these queer, ancient deities. Cats were seen coming and going from her chambers so often that men began to say they were her spies, purring at her in soft voices of all the doings of the Red Keep. It was even said that Larra herself could transform into a cat, to prowl the gutters and rooftops of the city. Darker rumors soon arose. The acolytes of Yndros could supposedly transform themselves from male to female and female to male through the act of love, and whispers went about that her ladyship oft availed herself of this ability at twilight orgies, so she might visit the brothels on the Street of Silk as a man. And every time a child went missing, the ignorant would look at one another and talk of Saagael’s insatiable thirst for blood."

and what Melisandre said about R'hllor, it seems that both Saagel and Yndros of the Twilight is R'hllor. Pale child Bakkalon of the Sword, the Great Shepherd of Lhazareen, and Dothraki's the Stallion that mounts the world is Rhaego. And based on Dany's visions of adult Rhaego, he is R'hllor's champion. Seems Rhaego is based on Jesus Christ, more specifically on the child of the Woman Clothed in the Sun from the Book of Revelation.

So there's only two real powers, and that's R'hllor and Old Gods, while others, such as the Seven, the Drowned God, Durran Godsgrief and Elenei, ancient Emperors of Yi Ti, etc. are aliens or alien-hybrids/descendants of those aliens, that came to Planetos in ancient times, prior First Long Night. And all of them died long ago, because they weren't omniponent, possibly, thanks to their techlologies, that extended longevity, they lived for hundreds if not thousands of years, but eventually they all died. And amongst their descendants, that remained living on Planetos, eventually their alien genes became diluted with genes of original inhabitants of Planetos, so now they don't have any "magical" powers. Seems that only some of Valyrians, such as Targaryens, have a bit of those original genes, that's why they are able to bond with dragons. Because it seems, that the origin of dragons is also alien. Looks like the second moon of Planetos, from which the dragons came, according to legends of Yi Ti, was an alien space-ship. Possibly, that space-ship is Tuf's Ark.

Besides faith of Old Gods and faith of R'hllor, that have real power on which they are based, all others are either their copies, or fake.

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On 8/16/2019 at 1:27 AM, BlackDread12 said:

 

Because fire is the opposing element to ice.  Ice is getting ready to send all of the living into their meat freezer.  The religion was created to oppose ice and to preserve life.  

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Perhaps the Faith of the Seven was created when/where that threat was not faced?

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8 hours ago, Unit A2 said:

Because fire is the opposing element to ice.  Ice is getting ready to send all of the living into their meat freezer.  The religion was created to oppose ice and to preserve life.  

That's what I thought. It's not like the Others are called by different names in different religions. 

Only R'hllor recognises the Others existence truly.  

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On 8/16/2019 at 9:27 AM, BlackDread12 said:

What makes this faith different/special from let's say The Seven or The Drowned God?

It seems to me that Rhllor and the Old Gods are the only ones who seem to actually be real. The Drowned God just seems to be some made up concept to justify and encourage the raiding and pillaging lifestyle of the Ironborn. The Seven so far has done absolutely nothing to prove their existence

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6 hours ago, BlackDread12 said:

Only R'hllor recognises the Others existence truly.  

Why do you think they know about the others? They speak of a "great other" in their preaching, but it is an entity they believe has always existed, a diety of destruction and darkness... but a diety nonetheless, not a group of magic creatures north of the Wall in Westeros.

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On 8/16/2019 at 6:27 AM, BlackDread12 said:

What makes this faith different/special from let's say The Seven or The Drowned God?

The magic is Fire and Ice. R'llor is the fire magic. The Old Gods are the ice magic.

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On 8/19/2019 at 1:49 PM, AryaNymeriaVisenya said:

The magic is Fire and Ice. R'llor is the fire magic. The Old Gods are the ice magic.

But it is important to remember that there is water magic.

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On 8/15/2019 at 10:27 PM, BlackDread12 said:

What makes this faith different/special from let's say The Seven or The Drowned God?

I think its pretty likely that there isn nothing different except that R'hllor priests are actually wizards.  It is not the entire red priest religion (which we know very little about), it is one practioner who has taken it upon herself to get involved with Westeros.  We don't have enough background on the rest of their movement to make any big judgements.  

Melisandre has a history of misinterpreting her visions and using her powers to support those she thinks have been chosen.  We don't have any perspetive to determine whether she's in the right or not.  She could just be a wizard who can see the glimpses of possible futures and thinks she's god's chosen one as a result.

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On 8/17/2019 at 5:40 PM, Tyrion1991 said:

Plus, the dead can’t cross water. Is that because of the Drowned Gods power?

We don't know that they can't. 

At Hardhome, with six ships. Wild seas. Blackbird lost with all hands, two Lyseni ships driven to ground on Skane, Talon taking water. Very bad here. Wildlings eating their own dead. Dead things in the woods. Braavosi captains will only take women, children on their ships. Witch women call us slavers. Attempt to take Storm Crow defeated, six crew dead, many wildlings. Eight ravens left. Dead things in the water. Send help by land, seas wracked by storms. From Talon, by hand of Maester Harmune.
Cotter Pyke had made his angry mark below. (Jon XII, ADwD 58)

And are the old gods ice magic? Or is that the Great Other? Melisandre considers any god who isn't R'hllor a thrall of the Great Other. So that's pretty much all the gods that are worshiped in Westeros.

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10 hours ago, Alexis-something-Rose said:

We don't know that they can't. 

At Hardhome, with six ships. Wild seas. Blackbird lost with all hands, two Lyseni ships driven to ground on Skane, Talon taking water. Very bad here. Wildlings eating their own dead. Dead things in the woods. Braavosi captains will only take women, children on their ships. Witch women call us slavers. Attempt to take Storm Crow defeated, six crew dead, many wildlings. Eight ravens left. Dead things in the water. Send help by land, seas wracked by storms. From Talon, by hand of Maester Harmune.
Cotter Pyke had made his angry mark below. (Jon XII, ADwD 58)

 

This!! Also squishers. 

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On 8/19/2019 at 6:49 PM, AryaNymeriaVisenya said:

The magic is Fire and Ice. R'llor is the fire magic. The Old Gods are the ice magic.

The Old Gods represent nature, not ice magic. IMO.

Just now, Reekazoid said:

This!! Also squishers. 

Please, please, let there be squishers! Squishers and fierce, wild unicorns and I'm a happy woman. :D

 

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I had noticed that the name R'hllor looked Lovecraft-ish.

In one of the later canon GRRM books I read that when the Religion of the Seven and the Religion of the Drowned God met, mixtures developed, such as the Seven becoming Eight, with the Drowned God as the eighth; and people treating the Drowned God as an aspect of the Stranger.

 

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