Prediction: Littlefinger is trying (or will try) to kill Tyrion.

[Angel Eyes]

Littlefinger wants Sansa for himself and to advance his plans. Since Tyrion is married to Sansa, he’s in the way of any possible marriage alliance plans no matter how much Littlefinger says that Sansa and Tyrion’s marriage is annulled because he never consummated it. So he needs to tie up the loose end by killing Tyrion. Put poison in his wine, pay the right man with a knife, get a crossbowman up to and including 60 yards from Tyrion, he could be a dead man.

[Tywin Manderly]

29 minutes ago, Angel Eyes said:

Littlefinger wants Sansa for himself and to advance his plans. Since Tyrion is married to Sansa, he’s in the way of any possible marriage alliance plans no matter how much Littlefinger says that Sansa and Tyrion’s marriage is annulled because he never consummated it. So he needs to tie up the loose end by killing Tyrion. Put poison in his wine, pay the right man with a knife, get a crossbowman up to and including 60 yards from Tyrion, he could be a dead man.

Indeed. In addition will Littlefinger want Tyrion dead for Tyrion will one day be coming for him because he framed Tyrion multiple times. A Lannister always pays his debts.

[Jaak]

Ah, but Cersei is ALSO trying to kill Tyrion.

As far as legally clearing Sansa to marry... a poison in wine in Meereen, or a crosbowman, would be useless for Petyr. A nameless corpse rotting in Slaver´s Bay would prevent Sansa from ever marrying.

Whereas procuring a plausible fake head - Petyr knows it´s fake but Cersei does not - right in Westeros would be precisely what Sansa does need.

[redriver]

11 minutes ago, Jaak said:

Ah, but Cersei is ALSO trying to kill Tyrion.

As far as legally clearing Sansa to marry... a poison in wine in Meereen, or a crosbowman, would be useless for Petyr. A nameless corpse rotting in Slaver´s Bay would prevent Sansa from ever marrying.

Whereas procuring a plausible fake head - Petyr knows it´s fake but Cersei does not - right in Westeros would be precisely what Sansa does need.

Cersei should be an expert on fake Tyrion heads by now.

[Megorova]

On 8/17/2019 at 4:10 PM, Angel Eyes said:

Since Tyrion is married to Sansa, he’s in the way of any possible marriage alliance plans no matter how much Littlefinger says that Sansa and Tyrion’s marriage is annulled because he never consummated it.

They can prove, that the marriage wasn't consummated. So there's no need for LF to kill Tyrion, if he wants to marry with Sansa, or to marry her to someone else. All they need to do, is to ask a maester or a septa to check whether Sansa's maidenhead is intact, and if she is still a virgin, then her marriage with Tyrion will be annuled.

[Lady Dacey]

1 hour ago, Megorova said:

They can prove, that the marriage wasn't consummated

No they can't. "Maidenhood" or virginity is not a real attestable physiological entity.

 

[The Young Maester]

5 minutes ago, Lady Dacey said:

No they can't. "Maidenhood" or virginity is not a real attestable physiological entity.

In George's world it could be.

[Lady Dacey]

2 minutes ago, The Young Maester said:

In George's world it could be.

Cersei has told us already that it is well known amongst westerosi that the presence or absence of hymen does not mean a woman has had sex.

[Megorova]

3 minutes ago, Lady Dacey said:

"Maidenhood" or virginity is not a real attestable physiological entity.

Yes, it is. From Wikipedia Maidenhead / "hymen is a thin piece of mucosal tissue that surrounds or partially covers the external vaginal opening".

https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Margaery_Tyrell

In AFFC - "At the behest of the High Septon, Septa Moelle examinates Margaery, and finds that her maidenhead has been broken. Moelle reports this at court".

[Megorova]

1 minute ago, Lady Dacey said:

Cersei has told us already that it is well known amongst westerosi that the presence or absence of hymen does not mean a woman has had sex.

If Sansa doesn't have a hymen, then it could be speculated that she lost it either by having sex with Tyrion, or some other guy, or because of horseriding. But if she still has a hymen, then it's an evidence, that she's a virgin. And thus, her marriage with Tyrion could be annuled.

[The Young Maester]

1 minute ago, Lady Dacey said:

Cersei has told us already that it is well known amongst westerosi that the presence or absence of hymen does not mean a woman has had sex.

Well you know their are many different ways that a women can have sex. And I am sure Cersei has explored many of them. 

[Lady Dacey]

15 minutes ago, Megorova said:

But if she still has a hymen, then it's an evidence, that she's a virgin

People may claim that, I'll give you that much. But it's no proof really. Some hymen are elastic and never tear at all. Most hymen disapear due to hormonal changes before a woman reaches her thirties even if she never has intercourse in her live. "Proof" lies where Men believe it lies. 

 

19 minutes ago, The Young Maester said:

Well you know their are many different ways that a women can have sex. And I am sure Cersei has explored many of them. 

There sure are! I don't see the relevance of that fact to this particular discussion though. Whether or not Sansa's marriage to Tyrion was consumated (to the eyes of the westerosi nobility) is the matter at hand. Having Tyrion dead is truly the best scenario for Petyr Baelish's plans. 

[Hugorfonics]

23 minutes ago, Megorova said:

If Sansa doesn't have a hymen, then it could be speculated that she lost it either by having sex with Tyrion, or some other guy, or because of horseriding. But if she still has a hymen, then it's an evidence, that she's a virgin. And thus, her marriage with Tyrion could be annuled.

Not by Petyr though

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"She is old enough to be Lady of Winterfell once her brother is dead. Claim her maidenhood and you will be one step closer to claiming the north. Get her with child, and the prize is all but won. Do I need to remind you that a marriage that has not been consummated can be set aside?"

"By the High Septon or a Council of Faith. Our present High Septon is a trained seal who barks prettily on command. Moon Boy is more like to annul my marriage than he is."

The only way, without the High Septon, of getting Sansa to become a bachelorette is by eliminating Tyrion.

In fact, Im pretty sure that was always the plan, after all Petyr knows that Tyrion knows Petyr lied about the knife and framed Tyrion. Which is why Tyrions pie was poisoned during the PW...

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"They think Tyrion poisoned Joffrey. Ser Dontos said they seized him."

Littlefinger smiled. "Widowhood will become you, Sansa."

 

[The Young Maester]

2 minutes ago, Lady Dacey said:

There sure are! I don't see the relevance of that fact to this particular discussion though. Whether or not Sansa's marriage to Tyrion was consumated (to the eyes of the westerosi nobility) is the matter at hand. Having Tyrion dead is truly the best scenario for Petyr Baelish's plans. 

Yeah it would be better for littlefinger if Tyrion just died. But even if the marriage was consummated, an annulment would still be possible seeing as Tyrion is a kinslayer who murdered the king and his own sire, whilst also being a dwarf which gives him minus points. I somehow dont see the Faith complaining if the marriage was annulled. 

[nyser1]

At the time of the Purple Wedding, less Lannisters is not a bad thing for house Tyrell (particularly if they have some competence).

[Nevets]

Of course he would prefer for Tyrion to be dead.  That was the whole point behind framing him for Joffrey's murder in the first place.  Only it didn't work out.

Now, in order to kill Tyrion, he first has to locate him, which is the same problem Cersei has.  Once he's located (probably when he surfaces as Meereen's administrator, then attempts can be made.

As to annullment, that has to go through the Faith.  Given its political aspects, a decision would likely be made on that basis.  Assuming that Sansa doesn't drag her feet on the issue.  I think it is clear that she has little interest in marriage to anybody at this point, and staying married to Tyrion is a good way to avoid marrying anybody else.

[Victor Newman]

Tyrion will try to kill him too.  He was responsible for framing Tyrion and the dwarf might take it upon himself to punish Petyr.

[John Suburbs]

On 8/17/2019 at 9:10 AM, Angel Eyes said:

Littlefinger wants Sansa for himself and to advance his plans. Since Tyrion is married to Sansa, he’s in the way of any possible marriage alliance plans no matter how much Littlefinger says that Sansa and Tyrion’s marriage is annulled because he never consummated it. So he needs to tie up the loose end by killing Tyrion. Put poison in his wine, pay the right man with a knife, get a crossbowman up to and including 60 yards from Tyrion, he could be a dead man.

He's been trying to get rid of Tyrion since the beginning of the story:

•  Fingered him (Har!) for the assassination attempt on Bran
• Intended to kill him on the Kings Road through his agent, Bronn
• Tried to kill him on the Blackwater through his agent, Mandon Moore
• Tried to kill him at Joffrey's wedding by poisoning his pie

If Tyrion ever makes it back to Westeros, LF will try to kill him again.

 

 

[Lady Dacey]

1 hour ago, John Suburbs said:

Intended to kill him on the Kings Road through his agent, Bronn

I missed this and I am very interested. Could you help me figure out what evidence we have that Bronn was Baelish's agent? 

[argonak]

On 8/17/2019 at 6:10 AM, Angel Eyes said:

Littlefinger wants Sansa for himself and to advance his plans. Since Tyrion is married to Sansa, he’s in the way of any possible marriage alliance plans no matter how much Littlefinger says that Sansa and Tyrion’s marriage is annulled because he never consummated it. So he needs to tie up the loose end by killing Tyrion. Put poison in his wine, pay the right man with a knife, get a crossbowman up to and including 60 yards from Tyrion, he could be a dead man.

Well, that's a common theory, but does he?  He's made no real moves towards that end.  If anything he's been making other moves in other directions.  He's had her at his mercy many times and he's done nothing to push things that way except that one kiss.  And even that was a mistake, as it messed up his plans with Lysa.