BigBoss1 Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 I was thinking the other day about a what if scenario with Rhaegar winning at the trident, I was thinking of making Robert lose in battle but instead Rhaegar talks to the rebels, explains he hasn't raped and kidnapeed lyanna and wants to depose Aerys and shows proof, the lord will be conflicted but eventually bend the knee all except Robert who doesn't believe the prince and is outraged at Ned and Jon’s betrayal. He gives battle with only his troops, loses and flees to Essos swearing revenge. Rhaegar rides to kingslanding with a plan to dethrone the king while Ned rushes to Dorne to see his sister with other members of the kingsguard except Lewyn Martell (He stays with Rhaegar the dornish in this scenario will hate Jon as he was the cause of Elia’s subsequent fate) Lyanna still dies but names Jon Jaehaerys. in the meantime Tywin Lannister had already heard of the victory on the trident and had left Casterly Rock at the head of a great host. Now in Kingslanding, Aerys opens the gates ( Aerys is paranoid of Rhaegar and thinks he wants to betray him as the prince has allied himself with the rebel lords he was supposed to crush) Tywin effortlessy takes control of the city slaughtering the gold cloacks (no sack this time, a bit of pillaging) as Aerys hears this he blames Jaime and Elia ( he hated the dornish) he orders to burn elia alive as Rhaenys and Jaime watch, Jaime and Rhaenys are both traumatized by this event and it will affect them later in life. After hering the last agonizing stream of Elia he orders the burning of the city, Jaimie kills Aerys takes Rhaenys and they go find Aegon. After Tywin has taken control of the keep he reunites with his son but also takes the children, Jaime protest but cannot do Anything. The rebel army gather around kings landing intending to siege it but to the surprise of everyone the gates open and out steps Tywin riding with a babe on his arms wrapped in a crimson cloth, Ser Jaime at his side and Princess Rhaenys behind him. The king embraces his children and Tywin gives him the city, this works to the advantage of Tywin as he has now proved his loyalty and the king owes him gratitude. At the same time Ned just as he is about to leave the Tower with the wetnurse and the kingsguards is attacked by a group of 13 dornishmen ordering Ned to hand them Jon, he obviously refuses, battle ensues. Ned wins but Dustin is dead and Whent is wounded. He has to move on though as he is in hostile territory now and the dornish even tough they support Rhaegar have no love for him and they seem to want to kill Jaehaerys. In kingslanding The new king has to decide what to do with Jaime, on one hand he did save the city and his children but he killed a king and that was a great crime. In the end settles to strip Jaime of the white cloak, Jaime is furious and thinks he is being punished for acting a true knight and saving the city. Tywin pretends to be outraged and demand compensation in the form of a royal marriage, Rhaegar says he was already married to Lyanna, The lannister eyes him curiously the leaves. Rhaegar is on the thrones when Eddard arrives, a squealing baby in his arm. The king is informed of Lyanna’s fate and the babe’s indentity he crushed emotionally but picks himself up and manages to say while holding Jon up for all the court to see “Behold Jaehaerys Targaryen, son of ice and fire and prince of Summerhall” the whole court is taken by storm with everyone trying to get a look at the prince or gossiping of all the words that were spoken one was spoken the most, bastard. Even the king explaining how they married on the isles of faces is met by the high septon condemning the marriage as polygamous and sinful, he did not have the courage to say invalid but the entire court knew. Rhaegar puts the issue aside and proclaims Jon to be a trueborn son of him and his wife Lyanna, second in line to the throne and he will not speak more of that, he retires for the day as he has a lot to deal with. The next day Tywin makes him the same offer, the king without an excuse has to accept the deal, Cersei is set to marry Rhaegar in 3 weeks. Ned is furious that the king is taking another wife so soon after Lyanna, Rhaegar agrees but says it is needed, Ned disagrees and says he will not be in Kingslanding to witness the insult to his sister’s memory and asks the king leave for him and his nephew to go north where they belong, Rhaegar grants it to him but says Jaehaerys will stay with him. Ned having promised to protect Jon is hesitant in leaving him in a nest of snakes and argues with the king for hours. After being rejected for the last time Eddard stares at the king in cold fury, stands up and leaves no words exchanged between them. The silence would continue for 12 years. I’ve got more of this story probably will upload later. Tell me your opinions of how would have Rhaegar’s reign looked like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Commentator Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 You wrote your own story. Only the names are the same. It’s not even alternate it’s separate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBoss1 Posted August 20, 2019 Author Share Posted August 20, 2019 Just now, Widowmaker 811 said: You wrote your own story. Only the names are the same. It’s not even alternate it’s separate. Thats the point? In alternate history you're supposed to write a point where the story parts from what really happened ( Rhaegar winning) and then take it from there. Its obviously separate as things are gonna be different with such a huge point of divergence its not gonna play out the same. Its GRMM’s world in a story where something different happened and im using my imagination to take it from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winds of Winter blow cold Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 GRRM hates fan fiction! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBoss1 Posted August 21, 2019 Author Share Posted August 21, 2019 2 hours ago, Winds of Winter blow cold said: GRRM hates fan fiction! Lets say its not a fan fiction but an alternate history book by a maester then ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
argonak Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 16 hours ago, Winds of Winter blow cold said: GRRM hates fan fiction! Ok, so what? I hate green peppers but I don't shout at people for eating them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Commentator Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Richard Stark wanted Robert on the throne. The Targaryens knew this. The crown of roses at Harrenhal was the Targaryen plan to prevent the marriage of two disloyal houses. It worked. Lyanna was seduced. But the rebellion still happened. The Starks were never going to be happy with Rhaegar. Some of the great lords have been eager to challenge Targaryen authority since Egg’s rule. The rebellion is where that evil intent led to, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBoss1 Posted August 21, 2019 Author Share Posted August 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Widowmaker 811 said: Richard Stark wanted Robert on the throne. The Targaryens knew this. The crown of roses at Harrenhal was the Targaryen plan to prevent the marriage of two disloyal houses. It worked. Lyanna was seduced. But the rebellion still happened. The Starks were never going to be happy with Rhaegar. Some of the great lords have been eager to challenge Targaryen authority since Egg’s rule. The rebellion is where that evil intent led to, We actually don't know that. Rickard was definitely into something, probably create a great alliance to depose Aerys but we have no indication that he wanted Robert on the throne he probably wanted Rhaegar or even Aegon and maybe act as regent. Thing is, this is just speculation. We can’t be sure yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Young Maester Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 3 hours ago, BigBoss1 said: We actually don't know that. Rickard was definitely into something, probably create a great alliance to depose Aerys but we have no indication that he wanted Robert on the throne he probably wanted Rhaegar or even Aegon and maybe act as regent. Thing is, this is just speculation. We can’t be sure yet. I think Winds of Winter or A Dream of Spring will reveal what Rickard was planning. Most likely Bran will find out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenin Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 By the Trident, the Rebels were done with the Targs, and honestly only Ned and Robert cared about Lyanna. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyser1 Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 On 8/20/2019 at 7:03 PM, Winds of Winter blow cold said: GRRM hates fan fiction! Maybe he should take less than 8 years to write each book then. Personally I like them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBoss1 Posted August 25, 2019 Author Share Posted August 25, 2019 9 hours ago, frenin said: By the Trident, the Rebels were done with the Targs, and honestly only Ned and Robert cared about Lyanna. No one actually really hated Rhaegar. If you listen to Jorah’s tought he thinks of him with respect and even when Ned thinks about him he is strangely neutral and not hostile to the man who raped his sister. If Rhaegar manages to depose Aerys most would follow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Commentator Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 On 8/21/2019 at 2:48 PM, BigBoss1 said: We actually don't know that. Rickard was definitely into something, probably create a great alliance to depose Aerys but we have no indication that he wanted Robert on the throne he probably wanted Rhaegar or even Aegon and maybe act as regent. Thing is, this is just speculation. We can’t be sure yet. Rickard definitely did not want Rhaegar ruling over him. Aerys was a sick man who was not going to live very long. All he need to do is wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBoss1 Posted August 26, 2019 Author Share Posted August 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Widowmaker 811 said: Rickard definitely did not want Rhaegar ruling over him. Aerys was a sick man who was not going to live very long. All he need to do is wait. You're right, maybe what he wanted was to break the 7 kingdoms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loose Bolt Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 8 hours ago, BigBoss1 said: You're right, maybe what he wanted was to break the 7 kingdoms His children Lyanna and Ned could have became hostages and marriage with a Tully would have been very bad idea. Or if he really wanted to make the North great again he would have engaged his children to his bannermen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenin Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 12 hours ago, BigBoss1 said: No one actually really hated Rhaegar. If you listen to Jorah’s tought he thinks of him with respect and even when Ned thinks about him he is strangely neutral and not hostile to the man who raped his sister. If Rhaegar manages to depose Aerys most would follow Jorah is talking to Rhaegar's number one fangirl while he himself was pretending to be a loyalist in front of Dany. Ned isn't more neutral about him than he is about Aerys. Trying to force thougts in a character 15 years before because of a character might think15 years later makes no sense, in the Trident Rhaegar was the enemy, the Rebels had just hailed Robert as King, no one would follow, why would they?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bael's Bastard Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 On 8/21/2019 at 1:19 PM, Widowmaker 811 said: Richard Stark wanted Robert on the throne. The Targaryens knew this. The crown of roses at Harrenhal was the Targaryen plan to prevent the marriage of two disloyal houses. It worked. Lyanna was seduced. But the rebellion still happened. The Starks were never going to be happy with Rhaegar. Some of the great lords have been eager to challenge Targaryen authority since Egg’s rule. The rebellion is where that evil intent led to, Now that's fan fiction. At least the author of this thread doesn't pretend that their "alternate history" isn't purely hypothetical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBoss1 Posted August 27, 2019 Author Share Posted August 27, 2019 On 8/26/2019 at 8:54 AM, frenin said: Jorah is talking to Rhaegar's number one fangirl while he himself was pretending to be a loyalist in front of Dany. Ned isn't more neutral about him than he is about Aerys. Trying to force thougts in a character 15 years before because of a character might think15 years later makes no sense, in the Trident Rhaegar was the enemy, the Rebels had just hailed Robert as King, no one would follow, why would they?? You maybe right but i just find it strange that the only person that openly talks shit about Rhaegar is Robert. Rhaegar is the man that supposedly kidnapped and raped a lord paramount’s daughter and was the cause for rebellion, still most people don't think badly of him. I think lords would follow him if he explains that it all was a huge misunderstanding. Say Rhaegar convinces Eddard that Lyanna actually went with him. In my opinion Ned would not go against Rhaegar if he knew Lyanna was pregnant with a prince (my theory is that he married her on the isle of faces) and loved Rhaegar. He obviously would not be buddy buddy with the prince but at least he wouldn't be as hostile, with Ned won over lord Arryn can be convinced too and if both Stark and Arryn accept Hoster has no choice than to go with it. The only one that would not ally himself with the prince is Robert, at this point he hated Rhaegar too much and would not be convinced of his innocence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenin Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 17 minutes ago, BigBoss1 said: You maybe right but i just find it strange that the only person that openly talks shit about Rhaegar is Robert. Rhaegar is the man that supposedly kidnapped and raped a lord paramount’s daughter and was the cause for rebellion, still most people don't think badly of him. 15 years have passed, Robert is not the manly King he used to be and rose tinted glasses tend to replace the objective ones, time in general either leaves all the good or leaves all the bad, even characters allegedly "neutrals" show it, Barry B and the Elia was a nice girl efect to not bad mouthing Rhaegar in front of Dany. 23 minutes ago, BigBoss1 said: I think lords would follow him if he explains that it all was a huge misunderstanding. Say Rhaegar convinces Eddard that Lyanna actually went with him. In my opinion Ned would not go against Rhaegar if he knew Lyanna was pregnant with a prince (my theory is that he married her on the isle of faces) and loved Rhaegar. He obviously would not be buddy buddy with the prince but at least he wouldn't be as hostile, with Ned won over lord Arryn can be convinced too and if both Stark and Arryn accept Hoster has no choice than to go with it. The only one that would not ally himself with the prince is Robert, at this point he hated Rhaegar too much and would not be convinced of his innocence. Had the Lords gone to war for Lyanna, I'd agree, but the only ones who really cared for her were Robert and Ned, both were closer than brothers and none of them had any reason to believe Rhaegar, neither Rhaegar could convince them than Lyanna actually was there on her free will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexis-something-Rose Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 I think I can safely say that if Rhaegar had come out the victor at the Trident and was still the king in the opening pages of the story, he would have taken the wights rising at Castle Black and the threat beyond the Wall much more seriously. I think that's the whole reason he's the one who dies on the Trident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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