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[Clegane'sPup]

22 minutes ago, The Anti-Targ said:

Don't know why you need a doctorate. A simple understanding of theological tennats in the Quran is enough to know this.

If you say that Christians don't believe in the same God as Muslims, then generally speaking that is indeed how a lot of Christians see it. But certain Biblical prophecies actually reference Muhammad as sent from God, so The Bible does recognise Islam in advance as being of God. Islam for sure affirms in clear language that Allah is simply an Arabic title for the God of the Old and New Testaments.

That is a problem isn't it.  A bunch of people get together on the internet to talk about ideas.

26 minutes ago, The Anti-Targ said:

If you say that Christians don't believe in the same God as Muslims, then generally speaking that is indeed how a lot of Christians see it.

Did I say what you said I said no I don't think so.

29 minutes ago, The Anti-Targ said:

But certain Biblical prophecies actually reference Muhammad as sent from God, so The Bible does recognise Islam in advance as being of God. Islam for sure affirms in clear language that Allah is simply an Arabic title for the God of the Old and New Testaments.

Okay, there is a site that one can search, you are suggesting that the christian bible names muhammed. Help me out.

I will agree that allah is a word for god.

[A Horse Named Stranger]

Just now, Tywin et al. said:

I remember the first time I saw that clip like a decade ago. Still holds up. My feedback is that religion was created by man so it has as much credibility as anything man has fantasized about. 

No, not another post about you and the hottest chick at the wedding. 

j/k.

[Clegane'sPup]

2 minutes ago, A Horse Named Stranger said:

No, not another post about you and the hottest chick at the wedding. 

j/k.

טִפּשִׁי

[Mr. Chatywin et al.]

6 minutes ago, A Horse Named Stranger said:

No, not another post about you and the hottest chick at the wedding. 

j/k.

If you prefer, I can regale you with the story of how I had a one night stand in college with 20 or so strangers and some of my best friends watching on in a smallish room at a wild AF party. You Germans are into that type of kinky stuff, right?

[A Horse Named Stranger]

Ok, I shouldn't have asked. My fault.

And nah, we are more repressed. Remember that Austrian spare time painter only had one testicle. That's as good an explanation as any.

[The Anti-Targ]

1 hour ago, Clegane'sPup said:

That is a problem isn't it.  A bunch of people get together on the internet to talk about ideas.

Did I say what you said I said no I don't think so.

Okay, there is a site that one can search, you are suggesting that the christian bible names muhammed. Help me out.

I will agree that allah is a word for god.

You are on a fantasy forum, you KNOW that's not how prophecies work. Muhammad is the one of the two witnesses and the first woe. Book of Revelation.

[ThinkerX]

2 hours ago, Triskele said:

Someone was throwing out the stat again that it turns out that if you look at Biden or Sanders supporters in current polls they tend to be each other's next choice.  That is to say people supporting Biden as their top choice have Sanders as their next choice.

If this is so, could this mean that there's a potential path for Sanders after all if Biden were to have a collapse?  Seems that many of Biden's supporters switching to Sanders would give Sanders a big boost against Warren if those Biden votes mostly weren't going Warren's way.  

Still amazed at Biden's resiliency in the polls though.  

You shouldn't be.  What it comes down to for those people (Biden supporters) is this:

 

Apart from Biden, their choices are:

1 - a woman (therefore automatically unqualified, save in extremis);

2 - a socialist (therefor suspected communist)

3 - a woman of color (automatically double unqualified)

They will stick with Biden until he has a debilitating stroke or gets wiped in the primaries.  

 

 

[Guest]

Major ruling in North Carolina state court striking down the existing gerrymandered district maps and ruling that partisan gerrymandering violates the state constitution.

The court ordered the legislature to redraw the maps within 2 weeks. This will go a long way towards helping the Democrats retain their majority in the House, as Republicans currently have an 8-3 majority in the NC congressional delegation, with 2 currently vacant seats that were in Republican control prior to becoming vacant. 

[Bonnot OG]

This is not good at all. 

https://globalnews.ca/news/5852085/rcmp-find-vehicle-of-missing-army-reservist-with-alleged-links-to-hate-group/

A Canadian neo nazi trained by the Canadian military in explosives, was kicked out of the Canadian military for his ties to a US ne nazi group called the Base, that has a camp set up in Spokane washington. 

He was recruiting for them. He's been missing for a week, because the RCMP sucks at doing anything other than killing brown skinned individuals like the indigenous people of Canada. 

They also lost 2 neo nazis from British Colombia for 12 days after they murdered 3 people. Thankfully those 2 killed themselves instead of continuing their rampage. 

This guy is a trained killer and knows how to make bombs. And he is most likely in the US given how his truck was found 1.5 miles from the Canada US border. He is probably going into the Pacific North West given the amount of neo nazis and white supremacists that infest that area, even more so since that neo nazi group the Base he was recruiting for is located in the PNW up in Spokane. 

So if you live up there, keep your eyes opened.

[Ormond]

17 hours ago, The Anti-Targ said:

Don't know why you need a doctorate. A simple understanding of theological tennats in the Quran is enough to know this.

If you say that Christians don't believe in the same God as Muslims, then generally speaking that is indeed how a lot of Christians see it. But certain Biblical prophecies actually reference Muhammad as sent from God, so The Bible does recognise Islam in advance as being of God. Islam for sure affirms in clear language that Allah is simply an Arabic title for the God of the Old and New Testaments.

I wouldn't be surprised if there are some passages in the Bible that Muslims interpret as being prophecies related to Muhammad. But there is certainly nothing in the Bible that directly references Muhammad or Islam in an unambiguous way or that directly says "Muhammad was sent from God."

As a Christian I have no problem thinking that Muslims worship the same God as I do and any educated person should realize that Allah is simply the Arabic word for "God" -- Arabic speaking Christians call God "Allah".  

[Ormond]

12 hours ago, The Great Unwashed said:

Major ruling in North Carolina state court striking down the existing gerrymandered district maps and ruling that partisan gerrymandering violates the state constitution.

The court ordered the legislature to redraw the maps within 2 weeks. This will go a long way towards helping the Democrats retain their majority in the House, as Republicans currently have an 8-3 majority in the NC congressional delegation, with 2 currently vacant seats that were in Republican control prior to becoming vacant. 

Are you sure this ruling applies to U.S. Congressional districts? The article you linked to only seems to be talking about districts for the State Legislature to me. 

[Mr. Chatywin et al.]

12 minutes ago, Ormond said:

any educated person should realize that Allah is simply the Arabic word for "God" -- Arabic speaking Christians call God "Allah".  

Are you trying to make Southerners look like the Nazis at the end of Raiders?

[Maithanet]

46 minutes ago, Ormond said:

Are you sure this ruling applies to U.S. Congressional districts? The article you linked to only seems to be talking about districts for the State Legislature to me. 

You are correct that this ruling applies to the North Carolina state senate and representative districts.  The maps will be redrawn for the 2020 state elections cycle, culminating in the Nov 2020 elections.  The current map has Republicans with a 29-21 margin in the Senate and a 64-55 margin in the House.  This ruling is widely expected to be a HUGE boon to state Democrats to potentially flip one or both chambers in 2020.

If Democrats can flip the House (which looks easier at the moment), then they would have a seat at the table for Congressional redistricting, and instead of the current 10 R - 3 D margin in the NC House, they'll probably be looking at something more like 7 R, 6 D.  If they can take both Houses, it'll probably be more like 5 R, 8 D. 

Note that North Carolina is very unusual in that the Governor does not have a veto of congressional maps, so even if Gov. Cooper (D) wins reelection in 2020, it doesn't guarantee that the map will be any better for Democrats unless they take control a chamber of the state legislature. 

[Zorral]

My first label for the rapist-bedbug-skeksie-in-chief was 'chaos demon."   (I know -- not up there with Boris Johnson's "big girl's blouse" that he hurled at Jeremy Corbyn, alas.)

Interestingly, episodes of the Amazilla Original fantasy-steampunk-Victoriana gothic-horror series, Carnival Row reference the deliberate sowing of chaos via fostering hatred and contempt and fear of 'the others' as the tool for playing power politics. The ultimate villain states, "...in chaos is opportunity."  Not to mention GOT's Littlefinger's bromide that "chaos is a ladder."

Now a paper has been written about this -- links embedded in text at the url.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/04/opinion/trump-voters-chaos.html?

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Last week, at the annual meeting of the American Political Science Association, the winner of the best paper award in the Political Psychology division was “A ‘Need for Chaos’ and the Sharing of Hostile Political Rumors in Advanced Democracies.”

The paper, which the award panel commended for its “ambitious scope, rigor, and creativity,” is the work of Michael Bang Petersenand Mathias Osmundsen, both political scientists at Aarhus University in Denmark, and Kevin Arceneaux, a political scientist at Temple.

It argues that a segment of the American electorate that was once peripheral is drawn to “chaos incitement” and that this segment has gained decisive influence through the rise of social media....

....The circulation of this type of information (which the authors label “hostile political rumors”) has been “linked to large-scale political outcomes within recent years such as the 2016 U.S. presidential election.”

On a less cataclysmic level, the authors’ analysis helps explain the intensity of anti-establishment voting that drove Trump’s successful takeover of the Republican Party in the 2016 primaries.

The authors describe “chaos incitement” as a “strategy of last resort by marginalized status-seekers,” willing to adopt disruptive tactics. Trump, in turn, has consistently sought to strengthen the perception that America is in chaos, a perception that has enhanced his support while seeming to reinforce his claim that his predecessors, especially President Barack Obama, were failures....

Petersen, Osmundsen and Arceneaux find that those who meet their definition of having a “need for chaos” express that need by willingly spreading disinformation. Their goal is not to advance their own ideology but to undermine political elites, left and right, and to “mobilize others against politicians in general.” These disrupters do not “share rumors because they believe them to be true. For the core group, hostile political rumors are simply a tool to create havoc...."

 

The final paragraph is something my cohorts speak about frequently:

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A political leader who thrives on chaos, relishes disorder and governs on the principle of narcissistic self-interest is virtually certain to find defeat intolerable. If voters deny Trump a second term, how many of his most ardent supporters, especially those with a “need for chaos,” will find defeat unbearable?

 

[Bonnot OG]

Just assume if you are against the GOP and this administration you’re being monitored & tracked. 

[Mr. Chatywin et al.]

50 minutes ago, Bonnot OG said:

Just assume if you are against the GOP and this administration you’re being monitored & tracked. 

Dude they likely monitor sites like this one. Given the subjects you bring up and the way you talk about them, you've probably already been flagged in some way, shape or form because of something you wrote on the interwebs.

[Clegane'sPup]

6 hours ago, Tywin et al. said:

Are you trying to make Southerners look like the Nazis at the end of Raiders?

Define the southern block. Where and when does the mason dixon line begin and how many states does it define.

Easy way to shut down political discussion is bring nazi diatribe in.

Do you actually think that what happened in europe during wwi and ww2 is happening in the usa?

Shall I look at the southern block as of 1850 -- maryland, virginia, north & south carolina, tennessee, arkansas, georgia, alabama, mississippi, louisiana, flordia, texas and oklahoma (which was not a state but a territory).

Rather large block.

Now break down the other blocks including the expansion into north amearica land in 1850.

 

 

 

[Darth Richard II]

what

[Clegane'sPup]

6 minutes ago, Darth Richard II said:

what

What?

If a person wants to bitch and moan do the research rather than rely on social media.

[DMC]

52 minutes ago, Clegane'sPup said:

Shall I look at the southern block as of 1850 -- maryland, virginia, north & south carolina, tennessee, arkansas, georgia, alabama, mississippi, louisiana, flordia, texas and oklahoma (which was not a state but a territory).

Rather large block.

Now break down the other blocks including the expansion into north amearica land in 1850.

...Did I wander in to the US geography thread?