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"The Ice Dragon" (1980 book by GRRM)

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"The Ice Dragon" (1980 book by GRRM)

https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/The_Ice_Dragon

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ice_Dragon

ISBN 978-0-00-811885-3

This book (about 120 pages) was published way back in 1980, but it contains features that may be ancestral to features in A World of Ice and Fire / A Game of Thrones.

It is set on a remote farm in a nation at war with another nation (in the northern hemisphere), with no firearms, and both sides have a force of armed dragon-riders.

The ridden dragons are about 5 times as big as a horse, but there are wild dragons much bigger.

The central character is a girl called Adara, who was born with and keeps some Wight-like characteristics including tolerance to icy cold, but she is fully alive (not "undead"), and she remains friendly with her relatives. She becomes friendly with an ice dragon.  Later, she and the ice dragon play an important part in events.

The book refers to the far north as "the land of always-winter" - a name that reappears.

The book describes life forms made of animated ice :: compare the Others of WoIaF.

 

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love this novella. read the version that appeared in dreamsongs  a while back. got the vibe that they could live in a northern province of Valeria that was at war with a freehold/region that decided to succeed from the empire and has been lost to time, since the enemy was from the north. this rebel territory was probably defeated shortly afterwards.

there have been some theories that Adara becomes the Night Queen who takes the 13th lord commander in her thrall. I kinda want to believe that, but I also really like the idea of Nissa Nissa becoming the Night Queen. Like Azor Ahai saga was a self fullfilling prophecy. He killed his wife to forge a sword to defeat a great enemy. but the woman he killed ended up rising as an aspect of the Great Other. Without the sword being forged, there is no great enemy to defeat. And without the enemy to face, there is no need for Lightbringer. 

It'd be interesting if Adara and Nissa Nissa were connected somehow, but I think Valeryia would've still been in its infancy when the Long Night happened. Plus if the five forts have anything to do with the Long Night, and the end of Essos and end of Westeros are connected like Alaska and Russia used to be, this Land of Always Winter would probably be north of Yi Ti. this is getting convoluted but maybe Adara travels northeast to become a seperate  Night Queen from the original one (Nissa Nissa), or their the same one.

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The Land of Always Winter in WoIaF/GoT canon may be part of a big north polar continent, like Antarctica but the other way up.

Adara's wight-like cold-bodiedness let her ride an ice dragon safely, which ordinary warm-blooded humans could not do.

To me it seems that, in The Ice Dragon, after the main events, Adara developed a normal warm human blood temperature like her family had. That is shown, because at the end afterwards she could not any more handle ice lizards safely.

The Ice Dragon was written way back in 1980, and there need not be any detailed history continuity from it to WoIaF.

On page 22 The Ice Dragon says "Dragons cannot stand the cold, so when winter fell Hal and his wing would fly south." Here, "fell" means "started", but note the later WoIaF/GoT placename Winterfell.

 

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The stories are completely separate, but you can see certain ideas begin to take shape, and the George's interest in certain themes, especially the horrors of war visited on noncombatants.

I remeber reading that the story was a children's story, so I bought a copy to see if my then 9 year old could read it. I am seriously hoping there is an edited version for kids! 

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1 hour ago, Lost Melnibonean said:

The stories are completely separate, but you can see certain ideas begin to take shape, and the George's interest in certain themes, especially the horrors of war visited on noncombatants.

I remeber reading that the story was a children's story, so I bought a copy to see if my then 9 year old could read it. I am seriously hoping there is an edited version for kids! 

Believe it or not, that is the edited version :blink: 

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9 hours ago, Lost Melnibonean said:

I bought a copy to see if my then 9 year old could read it.

Did she read it? Did she enjoy it?

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On 8/22/2019 at 9:06 AM, Anthony Appleyard said:

"The Ice Dragon" (1980 book by GRRM)

https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/The_Ice_Dragon

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ice_Dragon

ISBN 978-0-00-811885-3

This book (about 120 pages) was published way back in 1980, but it contains features that may be ancestral to features in A World of Ice and Fire / A Game of Thrones.

It is set on a remote farm in a nation at war with another nation (in the northern hemisphere), with no firearms, and both sides have a force of armed dragon-riders.

The ridden dragons are about 5 times as big as a horse, but there are wild dragons much bigger.

The central character is a girl called Adara, who was born with and keeps some Wight-like characteristics including tolerance to icy cold, but she is fully alive (not "undead"), and she remains friendly with her relatives. She becomes friendly with an ice dragon.  Later, she and the ice dragon play an important part in events.

The book refers to the far north as "the land of always-winter" - a name that reappears.

The book describes life forms made of animated ice :: compare the Others of WoIaF.

 

It is a cute short story.  I accept it as an early inspiration for Song but not in the same world.  

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11 hours ago, The Fattest Leech said:

Believe it or not, that is the edited version :blink: 

OMG!

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3 hours ago, Lady Dacey said:

Did she read it? Did she enjoy it?

No, he did not. I thought nine years old was a bit too tender of an age for child rape. 

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20 hours ago, Lost Melnibonean said:

No, he did not. I thought nine years old was a bit too tender of an age for child rape. 

:blink: wtf. 

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Also, "Old Laura in the next village, who knew things that happened before anyone else was born" may be part of a thread leading to the Crone in the Religion of the Seven.

 

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4 hours ago, Lady Dacey said:

:blink: wtf. 

Wasn't Adara's older sister still a girl? Even if she wasn't those soldiers nailed her father to the wall, and then took turns raping his daughter. 

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10 hours ago, Lost Melnibonean said:

Wasn't Adara's older sister still a girl? Even if she wasn't those soldiers nailed her father to the wall, and then took turns raping his daughter. 

Oh, I never read the book! I was asking because I was genuinely curious about a grrm story for kids. 

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1 hour ago, Lady Dacey said:

Oh, I never read the book! I was asking because I was genuinely curious about a grrm story for kids. 

The Ice Dragon is not it. :blink:

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