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10 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said:

I feel like that link proves my point. Two of the top ten states are ones I mentioned, and only two other ones look like they can flip in the near future (SC and AZ). Last I checked (which admittedly was a few years ago), a handful of states are growing rapidly, and their projected average is holding stable while a lot of small states are shrinking, relatively speaking, and their average age is increasing. This is going to lead to a lot of small red states controlling large blue states in the Senate. For example, CA has the same population as the smallest 22 states combined. CA is way more important than any of those smaller states, but they only get two votes in the Senate while they get 44 and most of them are red states. That’s why my argument is that the country is fundamentally broken at this point. We cannot sustain this.

Look, that would only be true if there were smaller states which are now "blue" or "swing" which would become reliably "red" to offset a blue swing in the Carolinas, Georgia, Florida, and Arizona. Do you really think the small New England states are going to turn red any time soon in our present political climate? Do you think Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Michigan are going to become reliably "red"? 

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21 minutes ago, Ormond said:

Look, that would only be true if there were smaller states which are now "blue" or "swing" which would become reliably "red" to offset a blue swing in the Carolinas, Georgia, Florida, and Arizona. Do you really think the small New England states are going to turn red any time soon in our present political climate? Do you think Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Michigan are going to become reliably "red"? 

No, but I do think middle America is going to hollow out, and that will continue to produce a lot of senators representing fewer and fewer people, and those senators will most likely be Republicans. You would need the aforementioned blue shift in certain states to offset that, and we’re still waiting to see that happen. And in the meantime, while those states are still red, Republicans will push harder than ever to disenfranchise citizens’ privilege to free and fair elections.

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We need to combine some of those shitty red States.  Just make one fucking Dakota,  Missouri and Arkansas can be one state, Tennessee and Kentucky, Iowa and Indiana, Nebraska and Kansas.  

Bam Senate fixed.

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18 minutes ago, larrytheimp said:

We need to combine some of those shitty red States.  Just make one fucking Dakota,  Missouri and Arkansas can be one state, Tennessee and Kentucky, Iowa and Indiana, Nebraska and Kansas.  

Bam Senate fixed.

Is this meant to be a joke? 

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WSJ reporting that during a phone call Trump asked the new Ukrainian President 8 times to work with Rudy Giuliani to provide dirt on Joe Biden's son.  https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-defends-conversation-with-ukraine-leader-11568993176
 

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President Trump in a July phone call repeatedly pressured the president of Ukraine to investigate Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden ’s son, urging Volodymyr Zelensky about eight times to work with Rudy Giuliani, his personal lawyer, on a probe, according to people familiar with the matter.

“He told him that he should work with [Mr. Giuliani] on Biden, and that people in Washington wanted to know” whether allegations were true or not, one of the people said. Mr. Trump didn’t mention a provision of foreign aid to Ukraine on the call, said this person, who didn’t believe Mr. Trump offered the Ukrainian president any quid-pro-quo for his cooperation on an investigation.

Mr. Giuliani in June and August met with top Ukrainian officials about the prospect of an investigation, he said in an interview. The Trump lawyer has suggested Mr. Biden as vice president worked to shield from investigation a Ukrainian gas company with ties to his son, Hunter Biden. A Ukrainian official earlier this year said he had no evidence of wrongdoing by Mr. Biden or his son.

After the July call between the two presidents, the Ukrainian government said Mr. Trump had congratulated the new president on his election and expressed hope that his government would push ahead with investigations and corruption probes that had stymied relations between the two countries.

The White House declined to comment. The Biden campaign didn’t respond to a request for comment. Last week, a Biden campaign spokesman said of Mr. Giuliani’s efforts to pressure Ukraine: “This is beneath us as Americans.”

Mr. Trump on Friday defended his July call with Mr. Zelensky as “totally appropriate” but declined to say whether he had asked the Ukrainian leader to investigate Mr. Biden, a former U.S. vice president. “It doesn’t matter what I discussed,” he said.

At the same time, he reiterated his call for an investigation into Mr. Biden’s effort as vice president to oust Ukraine’s prosecutor general. “Somebody ought to look into that," he told reporters.


 

Utterly shameless. Yet I highly doubt anything will become of this because the GOP is equally shameless and the Dems have no spine. 

Edited by Trebla

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4 hours ago, Tywin et al. said:

I feel like that link proves my point. Two of the top ten states are ones I mentioned, and only two other ones look like they can flip in the near future (SC and AZ). Last I checked (which admittedly was a few years ago), a handful of states are growing rapidly, and their projected average is holding stable while a lot of small states are shrinking, relatively speaking, and their average age is increasing. This is going to lead to a lot of small red states controlling large blue states in the Senate. For example, CA has the same population as the smallest 22 states combined. CA is way more important than any of those smaller states, but they only get two votes in the Senate while they get 44 and most of them are red states. That’s why my argument is that the country is fundamentally broken at this point. We cannot sustain this.

By the way (and somewhat to my own surprise) it is no longer true, if it was before, that the population of small states in the middle of the USA is aging faster than the rest of the country. The only state in the USA that has gotten younger on average since 2010 is North Dakota (that oil boom again), but most other Midwestern states are growing older at a rate LESS than the national average, and the map of counties in the USA that are growing younger shows that almost all of them are in the low population rural "Great Plains" area in the middle of the country. It looks to me like in the last decade any "hollowing out" of the Great Plains has been more from retirees moving away to warmer climates than from young people doing that.

https://considerable.com/median-age-us-states/

https://www.census.gov/library/visualizations/2019/comm/median-age-change.html

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23 minutes ago, Trebla said:

WSJ reporting that during a phone call Trump asked the new Ukrainian President 8 times to work with Rudy Giuliani to provide dirt on Joe Biden's son.  https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-defends-conversation-with-ukraine-leader-11568993176
 

Utterly shameless. Yet I highly doubt anything will become of this because the GOP is equally shameless and the Dems have no spine. 

The New York Times has more details: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/20/world/europe/ukraine-trump-zelensky.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage

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1 hour ago, Ormond said:

By the way (and somewhat to my own surprise) it is no longer true, if it was before, that the population of small states in the middle of the USA is aging faster than the rest of the country. The only state in the USA that has gotten younger on average since 2010 is North Dakota (that oil boom again), but most other Midwestern states are growing older at a rate LESS than the national average, and the map of counties in the USA that are growing younger shows that almost all of them are in the low population rural "Great Plains" area in the middle of the country. It looks to me like in the last decade any "hollowing out" of the Great Plains has been more from retirees moving away to warmer climates than from young people doing that.

https://considerable.com/median-age-us-states/

https://www.census.gov/library/visualizations/2019/comm/median-age-change.html

Interesting, and not what I would expect at all (though it's not surprising at all that ND got younger and that UT is the youngest state). That would suggest that either they are having babies at a higher rate or the fears of youth flight because of college are overblown. Regardless though, the projections I've seen cited indicate that in the future more Senators will represent fewer people overall, and that those states are largely red states. Just for example, Democrats represent roughly 40 million more people than Republicans despite not controlling the Senate. That's not a good indicator of a healthy democracy, and it will only get worse as time passes. It will never happen, but the Senate should be reorganized to only have one senator per state with the remaining 50 seats split up based on the population size of each state. In this world, CA gets seven seats in the Senate, which seems far more appropriate than the current situation.

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1 hour ago, Trebla said:

WSJ reporting that during a phone call Trump asked the new Ukrainian President 8 times to work with Rudy Giuliani to provide dirt on Joe Biden's son.  https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-defends-conversation-with-ukraine-leader-11568993176
 

Utterly shameless. Yet I highly doubt anything will become of this because the GOP is equally shameless and the Dems have no spine. 

It's like we're living in some mutated version of Groundhog's Day. The scandals change, but the aftermath is always the same.

First, deny, say behavior was perfect and the claims are just partisan attacks.

Second, float that the behavior, if it did happen, was perfectly fine.

Third, have everyone around you do the same.

Fourth, Rudy takes it one step further and suggest the behavior did happen and it's great.

Finally, Trump admits to it in some form, says who cares, then engages in his next scandal.

Repeat.

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4 hours ago, Jace, Basilissa said:

Mike Pence is going to declare war on Illinois for a corridor to the lake.

It's about integrity in warm water ports

 

Eta: whole reason Pence signed on as VP was he misheard everyone saying Trump was into watersports.

Edited by larrytheimp

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3 hours ago, Trebla said:


 

Utterly shameless. Yet I highly doubt anything will become of this because the GOP is equally shameless and the Dems have no spine. 

This might be the best two sentence summary of contemporary US politics yet 

Edited by larrytheimp

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9 hours ago, Ormond said:

Look, that would only be true if there were smaller states which are now "blue" or "swing" which would become reliably "red" to offset a blue swing in the Carolinas, Georgia, Florida, and Arizona. Do you really think the small New England states are going to turn red any time soon in our present political climate? Do you think Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Michigan are going to become reliably "red"? 

I think this is a bit lacking of data.

The red state Republicans are already 40 of the 100 total senators. Of the divided ones, Alabama, Ohio, West Virginia and Montana are continuing to turn redder or are already very red with no sign of change. 

So we've got basically 46 senator seats that have very little shot of dem senators in the future. One could consider Florida as a better shot, save that it just got rid of its incumbent dem senator with fairly negative republican support, and Rubio is the other senator; chances are good Florida is going redder as well, not bluer. So we're already at 48 seats that are reliably red or will be, meaning things like a filibuster-proof majority for dems is virtually impossible except in national crisis. 

Now you're right that in the near future, places like Arizona and Colorado should both be solidly dem or rarely republican. That's cool and all, but it means for dems to get a majority they need all of those states AND they need Maine AND they need Michigan and Wisconsin and Pennsylvania - and all of those states are also becoming more red. 

And as to the blue swing in Georgia or South Carolina - I'll believe it when I see it. Same goes for Texas. Given that we're seeing MASSIVE polling place reduction in those places, I don't think they're going blue any time soon. 

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So first you bang your razor on the sidewalk, to get it ready to put in the rain barrel where it can rust.  But according to Biden a Corn Pop then interrupts and must be chained.    

Two things.   The mention of banging in this story will divide the Clinton democrats.  When Hillary supporters hear 'you have to bang it,' they will immediately knash their teeth, whereas Bill's faithful will perk their ears up and their faces will automatically brighten.  Trump voters are listening fascinated at that point, hoping for clues to how they might become as rich and successful as Joe.   Second, the name Corn Pop has sexual connotations and suggests that not only did he ruthlessly control the flow of popcorn in that town but perhaps also demanded favors in exchange for bags of said popcorn.   This is not the version of the story that ran in the Times, which makes this version of events instantly more credible.

And if you're calling for the end of electoral, you're probably the reason the college was installed.   

There's something about Pence and watersports that feels right.   So I won't take issue with that.

I would have asked that Ukranian guy to help out Rudy four or five times, but then I probably would have gotten uncomfortable with the sheer repetitions of it and I'd stop asking.  Trump asked 3 more times after reaching that point, which shows why he's potus and I'm not.   

Stop getting wet over military deaths, Jace!  Try clown porn like the rest of us.

You guys care more about Trump than I do by far.  I do other things.   Stroking my bust of Trump in the foyer takes up no more than 3 minutes in my daily routine, similar to the time spent brushing the teethes.  Then, it's on to non-executive branch activities.  Have you considered that hobby where you make fruit preserves in jars?   Or do you live near a Dave & Buster's.   

 

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51 minutes ago, The Mother of The Others said:

So first you bang your razor on the sidewalk, to get it ready to put in the rain barrel where it can rust.  But according to Biden a Corn Pop then interrupts and must be chained.    

Two things.   The mention of banging in this story will divide the Clinton democrats.  When Hillary supporters hear 'you have to bang it,' they will immediately knash their teeth, whereas Bill's faithful will perk their ears up and their faces will automatically brighten.  Trump voters are listening fascinated at that point, hoping for clues to how they might become as rich and successful as Joe.   Second, the name Corn Pop has sexual connotations and suggests that not only did he ruthlessly control the flow of popcorn in that town but perhaps also demanded favors in exchange for bags of said popcorn.   This is not the version of the story that ran in the Times, which makes this version of events instantly more credible.

And if you're calling for the end of electoral, you're probably the reason the college was installed.   

There's something about Pence and watersports that feels right.   So I won't take issue with that.

I would have asked that Ukranian guy to help out Rudy four or five times, but then I probably would have gotten uncomfortable with the sheer repetitions of it and I'd stop asking.  Trump asked 3 more times after reaching that point, which shows why he's potus and I'm not.   

Stop getting wet over military deaths, Jace!  Try clown porn like the rest of us.

You guys care more about Trump than I do by far.  I do other things.   Stroking my bust of Trump in the foyer takes up no more than 3 minutes in my daily routine, similar to the time spent brushing the teethes.  Then, it's on to non-executive branch activities.  Have you considered that hobby where you make fruit preserves in jars?   Or do you live near a Dave & Buster's.   

 

Excellent post, would read again.

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