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Everytime Biden opens his mouth -- and they've given him a majority of time so far -- he reveals the emptiness of his suit.

I am very concerned about Bernie's throat.  Polyps? a cold?

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2 minutes ago, Zorral said:

Everytime Biden opens his mouth -- and they've given him a majority of time so far -- he reveals the emptiness of his suit.

I am very concerned about Bernie's throat.  Polyps? a cold?

I think Bernie's voice is hoarse from doing so many rallies.

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Yeah, Biden is skating on his name and Obama's and it looks like people are starting to see it (based on polls) maybe? hopefully?

And just now Castro nails him on it.

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Damned good one, Yang!  Father grew up in a peanut farm house without a floor, and now his son is running for POTUS.  Don't want him to be POTUS, but still, this is true about immigration.  And probably why it terrifies the rapistbedbuginchief and his supporters so much.

Beto's doing so much better tonight.  Buttigieg is doing worse.

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Jesus, Warren should just use this as her only primary ad, her only slogan, and she should just repeat it over and over at the debates: Wall Street is scared shitless of Warren.

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CNBC’s David Faber told Cramer on Tuesday’s “Squawk on the Street” that he’s hearing the same rumblings about Wall Street being fearful of a Warren presidency.

“It’s another reason why companies are being implored to do things now ... because come early to mid-2020 if Elizabeth Warren is rolling along, everybody is going to be like, ‘That’s it,’” Faber said.

 

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15 minutes ago, Zorral said:

Damned good one, Yang!  Father grew up in a peanut farm house without a floor, and now his son is running for POTUS.  Don't want him to be POTUS, but still, this is true about immigration.  And probably why it terrifies the rapistbedbuginchief and his supporters so much.

Beto's doing so much better tonight.  Buttigieg is doing worse.

I think Beto looked good not blinking on the question about taking guns away.

And on the Leonhardt piece I posted a bit back of all the issues that he had public approval stats on gun control was the most overwhelming with something like 88% in favor.  

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Ultimately, again, it looks as though my take-away from this one is "Thank Goodness there are some adults and intelligent and informed people in the room!  I suppose it helps that the mystic lady is gone.  Biden though, o dear. He's so much oriented to a world that is GONE.

 

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Gods, Biden just said "counties" in Afghanistan when he meant "provinces" though he did correct himself quickly.  But just so many slips like this...

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35 minutes ago, KingintheNorth4 said:

I think Bernie's voice is hoarse from doing so many rallies.

Bernie's voice has been hoarse for at least the past twenty years.

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Why does Buttigieg think he'll be able to get congress to take back its blanket authorization of force when Obama tried to do the same thing and they wouldn't take back that power?

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Did I miss it?  Warren wasn't brought into the Latin America discussion?  I did get distracted .....

It seems to me that all the candidates have conducted themselves very well tonight -- maybe Biden rather less, to a degree, as he was trying to show he's tough.  But he really does suffer from that Hillary syndrome, which is they keep wanting to be POTUS and they've failed every time.

So ... is Yang in favor of Bitcoin and that what? libra currency of FB?

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This is quite a group.  If they can come together after the election and help the new POTUS do the best for this country s/he can, it's quite a competent, smart, innovative bunch -- we can see a place for Yang in this New America group too.

Dems should be proud.  And -- eff the media.

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So, what was that gesture Sanders made at Biden when the protesters were protesting Biden? (I assume they were because he was about to speak) 

Also, the corporate media can't resist asking Sanders about Venezuela. Because of course a Democratic Socialist is the exact same thing as a South American tyrant. Unless you are to the right of Ronald Reagan, you are a horrible communist and want to put everyone in prison.

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On 9/12/2019 at 12:02 PM, Zorral said:

Exactly. What kind of frackin' economy is this that when some of the most highly valued, massive corps like amazon, don't actually make money?  What they do instead is BUY their rivals of every kind.  What are they buying WITH?

I admit, I am knowledge challenged in these areas of finance and economics.  But they all seem massive ponzi schemes  . . . . 

Well, the Saudi's have invested billions into a lot of the tech industry.  So that might be the answer to where the money is coming from. 

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12 hours ago, larrytheimp said:

Love how the bulk of people I talk to who consider themselves libertarians are super anti-immigration and want strong borders.  Not that the hardcore libertarians are any less whacked but at least they're consistent compared to the people that latch onto it because it's a less tired, cooler word, linguistically and culturally, than Democrat, Republican, conservative, liberal, or socialist.

Good point. It seems to me a true libertarian position should be for open and free movement for not only goods but people as well.

To be for closed borders and anti immigration is actually to be for big gov't and less freedom of the individual, a seemingly antithetical position to true libertarianism. Such people are steeped in hypocrisy imo.

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On 9/12/2019 at 12:31 AM, Martell Spy said:

Yeah, let's just wipe our ass with international law.

Lol you think that 9 people should have the complete autonomy to decide what is and what is not legal? 

The SCOTUS has been garbage from the start. Look at all the horrible shit is has upheld. From slavery to this.

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13 hours ago, DMC said:

You don't know about what?  Assuming it's me saying retail politics don't matter in the general.  So let me repeat, retail politics don't matter in the general.  Grip and grin is great in the Iowa caucuses and the New Hampshire primaries, but that's because they are small states - and because the primary electorate of either party is significantly less than the general election electorate.  Pretty much all swing states (except I suppose New Hampshire) are much, much bigger states.  You don't do grip and grin in MI, PA, WI, FL, NC, AZ.  It's a horrible allocation of resources.  You try to get free media through rallies and the rest is ad buys.  That's why retail politics don't matter in the general.

They matter for the purposes of internal politics and unifying the party if nothing else. Biden will do a better job than Hillary at getting Democrats to rally to the cause. This is why back in 2016 I was calling for Sanders to get out early. Hillary et al.’s pettiness was going to drive them away, and the Sanders people weren’t without blame too. Biden won’t suffer from that in large part due to his skills as a retail politician.

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15 hours ago, larrytheimp said:

Fucking hell could Warren or Sanders just say "taxes will go up but savings on healthcare will go up to the point that middle class families are saving money"

They’re probably trying to avoid the right wing media taking that statement and putting it in a commercial as just “Taxes will go up!”

It’s a rather small minority of people that pay attention to news/politics all the time and will actually know or go out to learn the nuance and truth in those things, or even know what Medicare for all means. Most Americans are so disconnected from the workings of any true universal healthcare system that they imagine they’ll still need to pay insurance premiums and that their taxes will go up on top of that. Warren and, to a lesser extent, Sanders, don’t want to hand ammunition to the Right that will be used to confirm that misinformation and misunderstandings.

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